But since we have stopped Linux releases and working on BSD one, why the site logo is still saying GNU Linux. Why not scrape it? Maybe you'll be scraping it later after you get hyperbola out of pre alpha.

Disclaimer: This thread may occasionally go off topic due to the vast amount of coverage with the sheer knowledge involved with a project like this, and this post may also change (for the better) since I'm just bad at writing.

Future: I do intend to cover the history and motivations behind my decisions that lead me down such a painful path, but that's it's own can of worms regarding how much Linux has further devolved into a cloud-focused insecure monolithic abomination that's done nothing but abuse me since I started using it in 2012 after my primary WinXP (an OS which I still use to date) install corrupted itself

My personal goal is to have minimal static device configurations within initrd for setting up what udev would otherwise detect and configure, which from what I need really only needs to mount the mouse and network devices (if that) to a common location, as anything else I can mount after login...
(Ultimately I intend to remove my init system (OpenRC) entirely to have nothing at all running as root, but that's a goal for potentially another thread if Hyperbola is interested in providing similar options)

My current solutions to many various issues with this approach is simply just configuration scripts run from a custom user-level service daemon after login... (Although I AM building software to ease the tediousness of everything)
If anything needs root, I'm prompted with a terminal window to grant root to... (at least I know for certain what's running as root and when, unlike with OpenRC which does a ton of stuff behind the scenes you'll only know about via reverse-engineering)
One such example is a custom memory manager that properly clears swap and caches [echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches] to avoid Linux becoming sluggish when disk-cache would fill up the remaining unused RAM...
(I used to clear it every 10 seconds which worked quite nicely, but Wine would have problems finding my nvidia GPU (yet another thing to fix), so I reduced it to every minute as a workaround, which causes tolerable instability)

But regardless, that's getting off topic...

The first major hurdle to removing udev was Xorg and libinput, which was, despite the tediousness, actually quite easy to do...
All you need to do for xorg is remove the extension modules for libinput and libevdev, but additionally ensure you have the extension modules installed for the mouse and keyboard directly
The rest is just ensuring those devices are configured in Xorg.conf

The keyboard is extremely easy to configure, as the extension (if not Xorg itself) primarily gets that from the TTY (via the launch command [Xorg -nolisten tcp :0 vt1 -keeptty ...]):

Section "ServerLayout"
    ...
    
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
    ...

EndSection

...

Section "InputDevice"
    Identifier     "Keyboard0"
    Driver         "kbd"
EndSection

(Bonus info, joystick, wacom, and even hyperpen and wiimote are also supported by Xorg directly with extensions, which not many seem to know about)
The mouse however... what little info I found about mounting the mouse via [mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63] has failed to work, and I have yet to find any info that does

I assume a similar approach would be used to mount network devices, but I need some help figuring that out as [/sys/class/net/*] is empty without udev... >.>

IMPORTANT: Ensure your perms don't allow the user to freely read mouse/keyboard input, as that's the very reason why very many distros to date still run Xorg as root (ignoring the PE issues from doing so)
(Xorg should be ran as no more than user, or at least some mid-level group swapped to via newgrp, with the device nodes configured to allow Xorg to read them, but not the user, without granting full root access to Xorg)

But anyways, with Xorg out of the way, you should be able to remove udev without much issue...
The only thing that might stand in your way would be any packages depending on udev

dbus for example requires udev through libelogind, which obviously I don't have installed if I can remove udev XD
(The ONLY program I have that requires dbus at all is Nheko, which to make that work, I had to pack dbus into it's AppDir and run it with [dbus-run-session] which loads a shoddy script that runs a notification daemon and keepassxc under that)

So yeah, there ARE hurdles, but nothing too overly complex, especially if you focus on portability like I prefer (I guess it depends on what you prefer though, since I don't use a WM that can't live without dbus for example, heck I don't even use a login manager at this current moment)

I'll save the details of what I run for the history/pain thread, as I think it might already surprise a lot of people I even run Xorg

I don't use Hyperbola, not because I think of it that is not interesting distro but because I recently discovered it and at the same time I use distro in permanent live mode and so maybe I would make a bit of difficulty to return to a distro that installs normally. However, I do not exclude that I could try it on qemu in the next few days.
But I like your vision and I would like to if the distro that I use respected the same principles and therefore I am still interested.

Let's start with questions in random order:
1) Why do you want to switch to bsd? their license seems more permissive than gpl, so there is no risk that corporations can abuse more than they already do?
2) What do you think about futo licence/statemets ? https://futo.org/about/futo-statement-on-opensource/
3) What do you thinkg about trusting computing? there is a way for escape? https://mikelev.in/futureproof/ime-mse-psp-tee-sep/

I could post or search for more information if needed/desired or not if not desired.

https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id … s_non-free

I saw Micropolis was designed and implemented by Will Wright,
Copyright (C) 2002 by Electronic Arts.

It also had ADDITIONAL TERMS per GNU GPL Section 7 in the README file.
about its' companies trademarks.

micropolis-activity/images/tiles-150.xpm
Has the SimCity Trademark in it.

Electronic Arts is a company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimCity_( … Micropolis

The lugaru README.md shows in part

and

So I thought this was "corporate software like" or that starting development funded by a business as this "community-driven" game may have had too much corporate funding for Hyperbola.

It looks like they (the lugaru community) wish to work to get any updated code base into the Wolfire Games version. The Wolfire Games version is also sold on Steam.

There is a link to the Wolfire Games website on the lugaru website.

Wikipedia also shows this was started by a company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugaru

OpenArena is a fork of the ioquake3 engine.
The company id Software LLC made the ioquake3 engine.
The company id Software LLC is a subsidiary of ZeniMax Media and that is a subsidiary of Microsoft.

As for my signature before

"
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"

I thought to post that quote there because I'm a Christian and I desired to share how God has love for everyone everywhere with that quote.

I know any quotes some people may not relate to but I hope everyone can relate to or understand love and kindness.

With the

https://forums.hyperbola.info/misc.php?action=rules

being against discriminate against people based on things like religion, ideology I would not think a quote about loving people would cause problems.

I do not know how active my account should be, though I was trying to be active enough to at least try to be helpful to Hyperbola.

As for any cross-posting I was trying to promote understanding or at least help understanding between any groups. If that could not be done I hoped at least groups could agree to disagree politely and in loving kindness and not make any false accusations against anyone anywhere or do any other evil thing against each other.

I can try to do better though I do not know how much help I can provide.

I'm sorry for any problems I caused.

I love and care for you all.

https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?id=784

And I did not see the above forum post till after I tried to make an account to replace my old (maybe deleted) one.

I'm posting here to ask about how my account was not found.

My password here at the forum was strong so I do not know how I could not find my account.

I may not have logged in it a little while, but I did plan to login at a later time.

I'm sorry for making another account, but my other account was likely deleted without warning or a reason somehow.

For Arch users, I assume that a degree of diligence is required when it comes to installing programs. I assume that practice is verification before compiling the source code. A straight software installation from the OS repository is a blind check. The server have some questionable protocols that might as well jeopardize Arch into Windows or iPod Apple store.

I know that Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre is regarded as a different OS from Arch Linux, but I can't shake the feeling that it uses some of its design. Can anyone ensure that a vetting process is in effect for any file uploads/edits in the Hyperbola OS repository? Furthermore, if Hyperbola does derive from Arch, does that mean there is a risk to unknowingly extract malware as a base for software on other Arch-like OS? If Hyperbola does indeed find itself at risk from derivation, it is a understandable move to develop HyperbolaBSD. And what about the Arch users, where should they go? I hope that they look forward to Hyperbola (while I can't vouch for encryption options, I can attest that Windows XP on a 32bit machine would be on a similar encryption level), but I suppose Parabola would suffice for their taste.
As they say, it is nigh time to abandon ship, the Arch ship, that is.

Cited references:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/s … t-malware/

offtopic: i personally weigh the advantages of using nonfree software vs the obvious downsides and having a fully libre desktop and laptop is not something i am intresred in but i can probably run hyperbolabsd on the "old" computers i upgraded from but even then i want a nonfree browser like firefox and nonfree ffmpeg

I see that you have some trouble regarding privacy issues when it comes to donations. Maybe this website, https://opencollective.com/, can help? I also see that there are information regarding wire transfers. Maybe this website can help with safeguarding such information. There's no guarantee that it can consistently perform this task so I would consider multi-factor authentication, encryption, and fraud alerts whenever possible. What I like about this website is the fact that guests could donate to the account in question, reducing the threshold requirement for assistance.

I am not sure how libre this website is, but as far as I remembered, it supported software for UNIX-like operating systems such as Xfce desktop environment. Maybe Lumina can get funding for development? I like the command/application launchers on the Xfce panels, I could even get a custom lockscreen working that way. Even if Lumina could not get custom commands on its panel(s), I think I will figure something out like a desktop/menu shortcut or to custom lockscreen.
I know the wire transfer info could be cover, but it's probably consistent/better/safer/efficient to utilize the british pound (or similar instances) instead of euro?

I was found a way for be a total keyboard programmer, I publish a small colections of dash scripts:

https://codeberg.org/srv/keyboard-mouse

for take the goal, is compatible with Hyperbola and I use every day, I have some improves in my local machine but with that the goal is posible

I hope that could help you