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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aloniv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The once popular packages depending on mono (Banshee, F-Spot, Tomboy) are not in Arch&#039;s repo anyway (and thus not in Hyperbola&#039;s as well)&nbsp; so there&#039;s no practical need for mono anyway.</p><p>Keepass depends on it, but there are similar alternatives (keepassx/keepassx2).</p></blockquote></div><p>Well its good to know this. <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2019-11-05T00:16:53Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m just unsure about <a href="https://www.hyperbola.info/packages/extra/any/meson/">meson</a>, but I think it&#039;s only the check about mono being available, no further dependency. It&#039;s a pity about openra and openbve, but afterwards Xamarin was bought by Microsoft. So Mono stays a problem!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[throgh]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-11-03T17:23:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The once popular packages depending on mono (Banshee, F-Spot, Tomboy) are not in Arch&#039;s repo anyway (and thus not in Hyperbola&#039;s as well)&nbsp; so there&#039;s no practical need for mono anyway.</p><p>Keepass depends on it, but there are similar alternatives (keepassx/keepassx2).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[aloniv]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-11-03T12:21:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aloniv wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>I hope wine has their own reverse engineered version of mono.</p></blockquote></div><p>There is a package called wine-mono in community repo.</p><p>community/wine-mono 4.7.0-1<br />Wine&#039;s built-in replacement for Microsoft&#039;s .NET Framework</p><p>I also support mono&#039;s removal.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Agreed completely.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2019-11-02T23:13:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Emulatorman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thank you guys, i&#039;ve created a todo list for <a href="https://www.hyperbola.info/todo/mono-removal/">its removal</a>.</p></blockquote></div><p>Wine&#039;s version is better imo anyways probably and more importantly, it doesn&#039;t have a questionable status. </p><p>Aka possible patents that could be used against free software.</p><p>Emulatorman, do you know what possible purpose mono has. Just wondering...</p><p>Regardless, removal is wise. <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2019-11-02T23:11:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thank you guys, i&#039;ve created a todo list for <a href="https://www.hyperbola.info/todo/mono-removal/">its removal</a>.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2019-11-02T19:54:16Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>I hope wine has their own reverse engineered version of mono.</p></blockquote></div><p>There is a package called wine-mono in community repo.</p><p>community/wine-mono 4.7.0-1<br />Wine&#039;s built-in replacement for Microsoft&#039;s .NET Framework</p><p>I also support mono&#039;s removal.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[aloniv]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-11-01T23:12:03Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>throgh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, I know that Mono has its practical benefits. But the major problem are those depedencies from Microsoft and their patents of .Net, while the package gets abducted by Microsoft when time goes by.</p><p>The following packages have dependencies:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; boo<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; dbus-sharp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; fsharp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gettext-mono<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gtk-sharp-2<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gtk-sharp-3<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; ironpython<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; keepass<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; log4net<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-addins<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-basic<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-debugger<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-zeroconf<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; nini<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; nuget<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; openbve<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; openra<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; taglib-sharp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; uwsgi-plugin-mono<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; xsp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; avahi (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; diffoscope (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; graphviz (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; haxe (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; avahi (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; graphviz (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gtk-sharp-2 (requires monodoc) (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; lib32-libappindicator (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; libappindicator (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mod_proxy_uwsgi (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; python2-libappindicator (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; uwsgi (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; diffoscope (check)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; meson (check)</p><p>And within the list there is already another dependency to a dbus-component, the C#-implementation. When mitigating dbus this should also get a review! For the further situation of patents another look here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)#Mono_and_Microsoft&#039;s_patents">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(sof … ;s_patents</a></p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Hmm... I didn&#039;t realize it was sponsored by microsoft.&nbsp; That&#039;s bad...</p><p>I hope wine has their own reverse engineered version of mono.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2019-10-31T16:48:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, I know that Mono has its practical benefits. But the major problem are those depedencies from Microsoft and their patents of .Net, while the package gets abducted by Microsoft when time goes by.</p><p>The following packages have dependencies:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; boo<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; dbus-sharp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; fsharp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gettext-mono<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gtk-sharp-2<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gtk-sharp-3<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; ironpython<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; keepass<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; log4net<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-addins<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-basic<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-debugger<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mono-zeroconf<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; nini<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; nuget<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; openbve<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; openra<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; taglib-sharp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; uwsgi-plugin-mono<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; xsp<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; avahi (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; diffoscope (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; graphviz (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; haxe (optional)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; avahi (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; graphviz (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; gtk-sharp-2 (requires monodoc) (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; lib32-libappindicator (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; libappindicator (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mod_proxy_uwsgi (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; python2-libappindicator (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; uwsgi (make)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; diffoscope (check)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; meson (check)</p><p>And within the list there is already another dependency to a dbus-component, the C#-implementation. When mitigating dbus this should also get a review! For the further situation of patents another look here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)#Mono_and_Microsoft&#039;s_patents">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(sof … ;s_patents</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[throgh]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-10-31T07:48:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>-1, mono is quite handy.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[aether]]></name>
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			<updated>2019-10-31T03:57:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Complete removal of Mono possible?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Pretty sure the mono that&#039;s in the packages of hyperbola&#039;s repo is maybe by the developers of wine or something similiar, Emulatorman may know better, but in my opinion I see no problem with keeping mono.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2019-10-30T23:56:22Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello together,</p><p>as written above in the subject: What do you think about it? From my point of view <strong>Mono</strong> seems to be like some kind of trojan horse in regards of patents and Microsoft already announced to create a complete, unified platform out of .Net-Framework, .Net-Core and Mono: .Net 5.0.</p><p>We should also remember: Microsoft does not love free software. So I think a complete removal of Mono in combination with all dependent packages would be good. Being independent, being free and no further stress with useless patents.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2019-10-30T22:56:04Z</updated>
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