And I'd stay directly towards this: 4chan is really NOTHING we should want having here for any time. When I read through the issue: Hurting someone (physically), make "fun" out of this and more? Enough to say about that. As I've said: Sometimes being very, very, very tired when reading about those dark places (and of course immediately shocked). Disgusting actions and even within that issue everyone can see comments trying to misinterpret or redirecting the threat (example: https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacit … -875142273, recommendation: just review the profile itself).

So I'll add also a possible review of the people being onto the fork and their attitude for a real alternative. Please have in mind that this is just a personal review for the moment as I personal hope something like LibreOffice is created out of this and a real fork can be established.

Here's another: https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity

Seems the typical ignorance and arrogance coming up with the same arguments: "Doing that for the greater good of users", "Doing that for the greater good of the project" and more of the same. No evil plan behind, but the quite the same failures and flaws. For now Hyperbola 0.4 is oriented on 2.4.2 for Audacity, same version as for Debian "Bullseye" for sure. When time comes: Another round for the music to be played, literally. And note also: Even if Muse Group is doing and wanting that, the project won't go any further without the community. So no time for drama, time for facts.

So for now this issues is solved. I'll keep this topic open for everyone to discuss or pointing out missing information!

For now first: Motivation of course. But also is Audacity long time part of many distributions and operating-systems as audio-editor. So not giving up a good tool, which "trademark" was bought and is not in hands being that much into how sharing of information could work. The best proof is the issue itself and comments being that much toxic and harsh as users made them just count in commits and lines instead of the thoughts and inputs given - I know why I don't give anything about meritocratic groups and organizations.

And it goes further: https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/855

To quote:

Is it even possible for a company to acquire a free and open source project licensed under the GPL?
How exactly did Muse Group acquire Audacity?
What rights and power does Muse Group legally have over the Audacity project?
Can Muse Group even legally claim ownership over the project or do they simply own the trademarks to the name and logo?
Who exactly is behind Muse Group; what roles do these people have?
What are Muse Group's visions and goals for Audacity?
How does Muse Group plan on going about putting these goals and visions into practice?
How does Muse Group plan on handling situations where they want a new feature but the community rejects it (see PR 835)?
Are any of the core maintainers and team members of Audacity now on the pay roll of Muse Group?
What is the project father's and core maintainer's role and view of these events?

Well, best guess is to fork and rename the project. Even this will sooner or later become abandonware. But having some company owning the trademark? Not a clear statement? For now I think best way is to wait and set this package back for further research and compilation. Perhaps just taking the version from Hyperbola 0.3.1 - of course with patchsets for stability - or taking the last version being ready in packages from Debian Bullseye before this kind of problems occurred.

Sounds very wise to me what you said here.

I would do that.

And it goes further: https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/855

To quote:

Well, best guess is to fork and rename the project. Even this will sooner or later become abandonware. But having some company owning the trademark? Not a clear statement? For now I think best way is to wait and set this package back for further research and compilation. Perhaps just taking the version from Hyperbola 0.3.1 - of course with patchsets for stability - or taking the last version being ready in packages from Debian Bullseye before this kind of problems occurred.

Meant "anger" as part for motivation, not really about staying on that. In general Audacity is the software for just audio-editing, not midi-composing.

So for searching:

Eko

In the end I think the fork will be attractive!

My bad, if you mean motivation cool. 

By the way,

snd is the only other alternative I see, unless those forks turn out good.

https://github.com/yonderbread/foss_audacity
https://github.com/KXStudio/audacity

The new trademark-owner of the project has said that they will add telemetry in one way or another. So it is just something about time: Sooner or later this project will go the way of some others before.

So for searching:

Eko

In the end I think the fork will be attractive!

I'll post a more concrete statement within "Free Culture" as I'm very angry about the concrete situation many projects are into. If you find a good, free and libre alternative, please post it within here.

Anger sadly doesn't solve the problem, by itself...

that being said, if it motivates you to find a different direction or helps you to change the future in a positive way, then all good.

I have found a few different projects, but they are all bloated like auadacity...

ardour being one of the most bloated. Although, it may not use any crapware, I have no idea yet. it does depend on like 100+ packages though.

Update, rosegarden is the least bloated I have found so far with one caveat,

I am not sure if it is a real alternative yet.

It does some similar things, but never tried it to know how much it does.

If its needed, use the fork, if not, meh... it is a heavy program.

Would hope there would be something lighter available that does the same job and is less compromised and/or bloated.

EDIT: Sadly, I have not found one yet...