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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Please remember that we are for now using GNU/Linux-base and this means for sure some other dependencies. If you have further questions: Please create another thread. Thanks! <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Thread closed as essential question of the creator was not answered but never asked direct again. When the original issue persists, please also create another new thread where we can together look for solutions as Hyperbola is community-based. Thanks!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-11-30T09:33:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Ratpoison package has a dependency on bash. This must be in error, as ratpoison runs perfectly on my OpenBSD install with no bash in sight.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-11-30T08:47:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>JWMKit wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>zapper wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>. . . <br />EDIT: Better idea, maybe I should ask jwmkit creator if he could make tjwmkit allow people to make jwm, look like that.&nbsp; That being said, looking like it, is fine, being as bloated, not fine whatsoever...<br />. . . </p><p>@jwmkit, if you see this post, let me know if you have interest in doing this. </p><p>found one other idea you may have interest in:</p><p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout-for-i3-window-manager/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout … w-manager/</a></p><p>I mention this,&nbsp; because your dialog box for jwmkit when you go to logout, is missing a few options, tell me if you are interested in this as well.</p></blockquote></div><p>@zapper<br />Sorry I missed your post.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t see it until you pointed it out in the other thread.</p><p>Yes you can make JWM look nice and colorful like the screenshot.&nbsp; If you want it identical it will require extra effort, and you can&#039;t make the corners as round, but it&#039;s close.&nbsp; The number 1 thing you need is not even JWM related.&nbsp; It&#039;s the GTK theme.&nbsp; Anyone know what theme is in the screen shot?&nbsp; Maybe Graybird or Clearlooks? Then use JWM Kit&#039;s various tools to match the JWM appearance to the GTK Theme.&nbsp; Colors, font size. window height, etc.&nbsp; If you want the same icons for the window title buttons you will have to acquire the icons from the original source or recreate them.</p><p>As far as the logout prompt.&nbsp; You could easily replace the JWM Kit&#039;s logout prompt with that one or any other.&nbsp; &nbsp;My original goal was to be very basic with no frills. I have considered a design that allows users to expand it and add their own buttons.&nbsp; For example the user could add a lock button and&nbsp; &nbsp;define the command to lock the screen.&nbsp; What all options do you need? hibernate, suspend, and lock?</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Lock and suspend for the logout options would be good, hibernate? I don&#039;t need it personally and I don&#039;t know if even Hyperbola supports it&nbsp; at this time, now and/or if it will in the future beyond the 0.4 version.</p><p>If you download the latest version of their window manager, its 2014? I think? but it might have some interesting clues within it...</p><p>That being said, now that I think of it, something just came to me:</p><p><a href="https://joewing.net/projects/jwm/screenshots/jwm-2.2.png">https://joewing.net/projects/jwm/screen … wm-2.2.png</a></p><p>I am curious now, what is that ram, cpu, weather,&nbsp; disk, network, processes</p><p>system graph program called? I have tried to find it since a long time ago, cannot figure it out... <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Also, curious on the level of memory/cpu usage, in general...</p><p>Actually, email me, me regarding if you feel like this discussion will go on and on...</p><p>Just for the sake of forum sanity. </p><p><img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[zapper]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-25T23:25:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>zapper wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>. . . <br />EDIT: Better idea, maybe I should ask jwmkit creator if he could make tjwmkit allow people to make jwm, look like that.&nbsp; That being said, looking like it, is fine, being as bloated, not fine whatsoever...<br />. . . </p><p>@jwmkit, if you see this post, let me know if you have interest in doing this. </p><p>found one other idea you may have interest in:</p><p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout-for-i3-window-manager/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout … w-manager/</a></p><p>I mention this,&nbsp; because your dialog box for jwmkit when you go to logout, is missing a few options, tell me if you are interested in this as well.</p></blockquote></div><p>@zapper<br />Sorry I missed your post.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t see it until you pointed it out in the other thread.</p><p>Yes you can make JWM look nice and colorful like the screenshot.&nbsp; If you want it identical it will require extra effort, and you can&#039;t make the corners as round, but it&#039;s close.&nbsp; The number 1 thing you need is not even JWM related.&nbsp; It&#039;s the GTK theme.&nbsp; Anyone know what theme is in the screen shot?&nbsp; Maybe Graybird or Clearlooks? Then use JWM Kit&#039;s various tools to match the JWM appearance to the GTK Theme.&nbsp; Colors, font size. window height, etc.&nbsp; If you want the same icons for the window title buttons you will have to acquire the icons from the original source or recreate them.</p><p>As far as the logout prompt.&nbsp; You could easily replace the JWM Kit&#039;s logout prompt with that one or any other.&nbsp; &nbsp;My original goal was to be very basic with no frills. I have considered a design that allows users to expand it and add their own buttons.&nbsp; For example the user could add a lock button and&nbsp; &nbsp;define the command to lock the screen.&nbsp; What all options do you need? hibernate, suspend, and lock?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[JWMKit]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-25T15:45:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>throgh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Since there was not that much feedback: The following window-managers are getting more attention.</p><p><strong>pekwm</strong><br /><strong>evilwm</strong><br /><strong>yeahtools / yeahwm</strong></p><p>That&#039;s it: Three possible replacements and three are going to be removed then. The window-managers to be removed:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>spectrwm = does not start
windwm = does not start
stumpwm = cannot be configured correctly</code></pre></div></blockquote></div><p>Never used any of them, but they look kind of bland, at first glance, unless windwm is any good. <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Hmm.... it looks somewhat better than I thought...</p><p>I could check I guess if its still on here.</p><p>Brb...</p><p>Edit: It seems to be broken as far as I can see...</p><p><img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /> </p><p>Unless someone knows why it doesn&#039;t do anything when it loads.</p><p>That being said, though... their included info with the window manager is useless though... even if you aren&#039;t using windwm. </p><p>I could check further, but its not really important at this time, so do whatever. <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[zapper]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-24T23:43:16Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Since there was not that much feedback: The following window-managers are getting more attention.</p><p><strong>pekwm</strong><br /><strong>evilwm</strong><br /><strong>yeahtools / yeahwm</strong></p><p>That&#039;s it: Three possible replacements and three are going to be removed then. The window-managers to be removed:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>spectrwm = does not start
windwm = does not start
stumpwm = cannot be configured correctly</code></pre></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-04-24T09:01:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>throgh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>To make that clear: <strong>This is not meant as next wish-possibility.</strong><br />There won&#039;t be more desktop-environments added, just alternative window-managers for the ones being marked for removal. Nothing more, nothing less.</p><p>The first one: <a href="https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?pid=4391#p4391">pekwm</a></p></blockquote></div><p>This makes plenty of sense,&nbsp; no time anyhow at this time...</p><p><img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-04-21T16:26:16Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I hope the point is clear: We won&#039;t add further window-managers if there are no tests. I will provide step by step mentioned packages in different threads created for that purpose. The reasoning is easy: We cannot accept unstable or broken packages in our stable system. And we cannot wait endless for tests not happening when we publish packages within <strong>testing</strong>. We had around 1,5 years for 0.4 to be tested and having now feedback about malfunctional window-managers gives exactly the point onto.</p><p>When there will be no tests being done, the mentioned packages will be removed and we will just add what we can test for sure and that will be for sure a minimized amount of the named packages here.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-04-21T14:43:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>For sure the font-issue needs fixing. Nevertheless: The packages mentioned can be removed and others can be used. My list here as proposal:</p><p>goomwm<br />pekwm<br />pawm<br />tinywm<br /><strong>evilwm</strong><br />mcwm<br />2bwm</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p><a href="http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/">http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/</a><br />No title bar, no icons. <br />.<br />Good keyboard control, including monitor-aware repositioning and maximise toggles.</p></blockquote></div><p><strong>evilwm</strong> seems interesting </p><p>^_^</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-04-21T00:08:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>To make that clear: <strong>This is not meant as next wish-possibility.</strong><br />There won&#039;t be more desktop-environments added, just alternative window-managers for the ones being marked for removal. Nothing more, nothing less.</p><p>The first one: <a href="https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?pid=4391#p4391">pekwm</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2022-04-21T00:05:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>throgh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If it is okay: I stay at the point. Building first in a clean environment (chroot) as in our build-server. Afterwards I&#039;ll create another thread listing the PKGBUILD-script and the additional files. The meaning for this step is the same as for <strong>hplip-drivers</strong>. Having clear tests! <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Gotcha, I have added other wm ideas and one DE... </p><p>Gotta check the DE, it looks flashy, which means it might need dbus...</p><p>Will find out soon, if it doesn&#039;t, feel free to add it if you wish. </p><p><img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Edit: Seems that isn&#039;t a problem, however...</p><p>there are a few building issues, that I see... </p><p>If anyone feels like fixing this up for HyperbolaBSD, or in general, that&#039;s one thing, but I somehow think this should be waited on till Hyperbola devs have more time... unless g4jc has interest...</p><p>He had interest in xynth at one point, which strangely enough, is what xfast was based on... <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>EDIT: Better idea, maybe I should ask jwmkit creator if he could make tjwmkit allow people to make jwm, look like that.&nbsp; That being said, looking like it, is fine, being as bloated, not fine whatsoever...</p><p><img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p><p>This is the DE I would love to emulate:</p><p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/xfast/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/xfast/</a></p><p>@jwmkit, if you see this post, let me know if you have interest in doing this. </p><p>Thank you for all your work to help&nbsp; make jwm even better!&nbsp; </p><p>Btw, </p><p>found one other idea you may have interest in:</p><p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout-for-i3-window-manager/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout … w-manager/</a></p><p>I mention this,&nbsp; because your dialog box for jwmkit when you go to logout, is missing a few options, tell me if you are interested in this as well.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[zapper]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-20T17:58:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If it is okay: I stay at the point. Building first in a clean environment (chroot) as in our build-server. Afterwards I&#039;ll create another thread listing the PKGBUILD-script and the additional files. The meaning for this step is the same as for <strong>hplip-drivers</strong>. Having clear tests! <img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[throgh]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-20T17:52:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>u</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>throgh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As long a project and software being used it is not to be defined as &quot;dead&quot; or &quot;unused&quot;.<br />No need for further discussions onto that point.</p></blockquote></div><p>My bad, then...</p><p>I found two more if that&#039;s the case...</p><p><img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p><a href="https://uwm.sourceforge.io/">https://uwm.sourceforge.io/</a><br /><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/mazewm/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/mazewm/</a></p><p>Btw, I have the latest versions of both, just in case...</p><p>I also found this:</p><p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout-for-i3-window-manager/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/logout … w-manager/</a></p><p>Found these also:</p><p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/wmluz.mgstep.p/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/wmluz.mgstep.p/</a></p><p><a href="https://sourceforge.net/projects/xfast/">https://sourceforge.net/projects/xfast/</a></p><p>the last one I have to check to see if it requires dbus or other bullcrap... </p><p>I will let you know when I know...</p><p><img src="https://forums.hyperbola.info/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[zapper]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-20T17:21:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For sure the font-issue needs fixing. Nevertheless: The packages mentioned can be removed and others can be used. My list here as proposal:</p><p><strong>goomwm</strong><br /><strong>pekwm</strong><br /><strong>pawm</strong><br /><strong>tinywm</strong><br /><strong>evilwm</strong><br /><strong>mcwm</strong><br /><strong>2bwm</strong></p><p>I would propose to set the corresponding PKGBUILDs here first for a tryout. Would this be okay and are you firm with using <strong>makepkg</strong>?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[throgh]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-20T16:19:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: An alternative a "wmctrl -lx" command (that does not work in Hyp 0.4)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Well, there are two different ways: Either we remove the corresponding packages</p></blockquote></div><p><strong>I suggest the removal of packages </strong>when there is an alternative or there are similar&nbsp; packages (see Wimdow Manager)</p><p>Anyway...</p><p>It could be that the problem with the fonts that prevents <strong>stumpwm</strong> than not being configured to be the cause that&nbsp; <strong>spectrwm</strong> and <strong>windwm</strong> do not start.</p><p><a href="https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?id=669">https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic.php?id=669</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gnu]]></name>
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			<updated>2022-04-20T13:31:04Z</updated>
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