We could do different, we could use good ideas for the better. But the problem is: For the moment we fail and therefore the best we could do is to warn. Perhaps the warnings are heard and some others stop or orient different?

I take this point even further and forward here as this wallpaper was exactly designed with such outcome back in mind: https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic … 8264#p8264

Well, in the end it is not that there were no warnings: They are there on multiple ways even. The problem is to recognize the issue and stopping for a moment, therefore coming to other results being without harm or perhaps lesser harmful. But therefore we would need to remember more individuals that they have a choice, freedom of choice. And Orwell did his own way to question authoritarian ideas within soviet communism, while keeping the generic idea different. But for this we would need a complete different way of ourself as we as human beings do not work the way Marx theoretical described it. The stalinism resulting itself was and is a complete totalitarian ideology. So Orwell himself gave a pattern for all people to question their idea of working with facts and question authority, while Huxley did this on a different level to question "progress" and "progression", "sociel hierarchy" itself. With this lasting I give a recommendation for reading Brave New World towards everyone interested. To note in general that we as a whole, as mankind, are not very good to recognize the outcome of our decisions and ideas, especially not as there were also enough warnings from scientists, political analysts, politicians with a more reasonable orientation, from books, movies, series, artists and so many / much more.

Regarding ideas and missing will to reflect: We have written a long article about the problem here.

Also to add: We were warned about many platforms, even more people decided nevertheless that risks of using those (Facebook, Twitter / X, Instagram etc.) are minor and to be ignored. Copying the failed mechanism of "attention"-debates (nothing else is in fact there to be seen) is same way not helpful: Diaspora, GNU Social, Hubzilla, Mastodon and more. We were not ready, we are not ready and will not be also the same: It is all about "attention", the more extreme, the more exaggerated and hateful, the better for any kind of algorithm to lift forward these postings. This was all said already, all known. And people ignore it nevertheless, thinking they could only hold against this with "good intentions". No, there is nothing to do except pull the trigger and shutdown all of those "Web 2.0"-platforms, including YouTube also. All good and helpful data and information could be saved and transferred into something different, free to be downloaded for everyone. And yes, this is utopian same way, only another warning. With this I close this thread also: We won't find any solution here for a better webbrowser and I can only leave an invitation for all interested readers. If there is some movement to develop something different? Or another good project running on BSD around? Leave a note, especially if you are interested to package and port this. As of now: Everything else is said and if there is interest to create and open another thread, please feel free doing so ... also about how "you" use software like luakit for example when people have interest. There is nothing false to share information and leave it for others to do something and more with it.

So-called modern webbrowsing is based on the tremendous awaitment for more JavaScript and severe insecure interfaces, that is not the way Hyperbola is following.

What you write is absolutely understandable and true. I have been working with free operating systems for many years and it has been relatively easy to find hardware that allows the installation of these OS that include and propose only free software. Meanwhile, using web pages, increasingly full of non-free javascript, becomes an impossible task for the free software philosophy. I realize this and I think that it will become more and more an obstacle for work or daily life for those people who refuse to use proprietary software.

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It is incredible how Orwell wrote 1984 thinking of the USSR and in the end he drew exactly the EU of today.

We keep our packages exactly out of this reasoning as small as possible within their dependency-trees. And we keep therefore exactly problematic and Linux-only frameworks outside. So-called modern webbrowsing is based on the tremendous awaitment for more JavaScript and severe insecure interfaces, that is not the way Hyperbola is following. A webbrowser is per definition for rendering HTML-based data, that is text, some basic CSS and some images. That's all of it. When the computer is running high in resources, if you open some websites ... then something is surely wrong while without doing that the system is running absolutely fine. The more interaction is included, the more errors and security-vectors are there. Including webbrowsers allowing such is the opposite for a secure system.

So the final question is not "1984" and instead something more in between the dark, sinister dystopia of "1984" and the oppression of "Brave New World". As we let this happen, willingly. The question is not: Is this done to us without knowledge, but we let this happen with knowledge.

Their elementary task is to show text and perhaps render images at best.

Personally, I only have to read newspapers with a web browser, I don't care. Apart from propaganda and Newspeak*, there's nothing else. I need to open the website of my bank, the city hall, the tax office, book a flight, etc., so I don't understand your point of view.

*1984

If users want "more modern webbrowsers" (generally said): Hyperbola is not the system to go. We do not support DRM-mechanics, JavaScripts-trickery and more. We have no interest in doing so.

Ps: the panorama of web browsers is getting terrible. After the deal of Firefox with Facebook and other mostly based on Google-Chrome, they will push the standards quiet a lot. https://www.osnews.com/story/140861/moz … vertising/

Iceweasel-UXP and especially Badwolf lack a lot in that department.

[["/^/",["/^\\/assets\\/browser-detect-/",["/.*/g",""]],["/^\\/assets\\/discourse-[0-9a-f]{4}/",["(.d-modal-legacy\"","(.d-modal-legacy)\"","document.execCommand(\"insertText\",!1,","this._textarea.setRangeText("]]]]

and then check off enable.

Otherwise some websites will be absolutely obnoxious.

Furthermore the more newer version, the more possible problems go into the package for the webbrowser. Hyperbola is a minimalist system and therefore we would even go that far to remove a package before its dependencies go out of hands. That leaves a functional and efficient system and that is our goal.

For Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre there is no timeline at this current moment to upgrade the UXP-applications. for HyperbolaBSD there is porting in the making. But again: 32bit is not that easy. And that shows how inefficent and respectless some applications and projects act today - relied towards UXP and Mozilla in generic also for their Rust-effort.

An operating-system must have to work in the meanings of the user and in the hands of the user, this is excluding a webbrowser when it is a high security-risk and not efficient fullfilling only the basics: Rendering HTML-pages, as said not more. A webbrowser is an optional application. But if the community has an idea to update UXP (32bit / 64bit) or some other solution? Exactly that is now the time after 0.4.3.

So what browser do you use?