Oh perhaps I had a wrong sentence? I did not mean to say "you defend", the opposite.
Sorry, if that was a misunderstanding.

But "left" and "right" within politics has their meaning. It is just that people misuse that very often in our times. For a world in peace "right politics" have no solution at all as being always focussed onto the egoism (at minimum). I stay more at the description to the individualism in collectivism and the collectivism in the individualism. I consider myself as a human form Earth. Drawing imaginary lines onto isn't my thing. Selection of others by their look and roots is not my thing. And following some demagogues or apologists for hatred also not. A united humanity would be my thing, but i know this is only a dream. As said this is more to understand that every being has the right for a living in peace and dignity. Incompatible with the concurrent viewpoints our society has. For sure criticism will be always needed also for some outcoming ideas from "so-called left" politics (they are not when ignoring the essential rights of others). In the political compass there is for a reason the difference between them including libertarian and authoritarian besides left and right.

Thanks for adding this.

Libreboot?

That's burnt land nowadays - in urgent need of a complete, democratic & libre re-start.
I will never forget Leah's sudden, coup d’état-like havoc, wrecking the whole project.
Still feel deeply sorry for the victems, being thrown out for no reason over night.

Most libre and secure BIOS firmware you can have right now is an old version of libreboot, 2016 or 2017 or so, before said havoc. All versions after the havoc are blatantly false advertising, fraud.

Brightest ray of hope would be the developers of libreboot thrown out by Leah to team up once again for a back-to-the-roots fork of libreboot with setting up the project organization with lessons-learned measures securing a healthy, secure, democratic and libre course for the project.

But I think Leah, her online shop https://minifree.org/, and the now rotton fake-libreboot-project socially haven't survived what happened. All are isolated within the free software community. Because most people remember.

Well I think with regard to all that, she either A: didn't think it through in a megalomaniac kind of way, this would be more of what I hope is the case... arrogance does blind oneself anyhow as mentioned above...

Or B: She doesn't care about people's feelings and just wants what she wants.

I think I am more in line with believing A:

In either case, it would definitely be beneficial for more than one fork of coreboot that is easier to use.

I don't disagree with her ideals on less bloated code or her osboot like ideals of thinking or even having both in one.

Its more the way she alienated so many by not understanding that acting alone on behalf of a community can have dire consequences if one doesn't listen to input from others.

This seems to be at least true in at least one way.

Sure thing about X220 and X230, but the Libreboot-project includes quite more as we speak of now. Even though the T440p maybe not the one critical when it is about more one firmware-blob in detail. But that's the point: Making something open to something critical does not make the whole project better. In fact it makes Libreboot kind of questionable as Coreboot would be just enough and quite better to compile and modify then.

To compare Libreboot and Coreboot: The first one was the radicale libre perspective, only accepting hardware being fully able to be running without any blob per definition, including the management engine and more. The second one is kind of a compromise, not a bad one for sure, but staying at that point. To combine both now and calling that "Libreboot" is not correct working in any region or way. So in the end there is no further reasoning but just to compile Coreboot on own purpose and flash it. And therefore to state: To run an X220 for example there are just more non-free blobs needed. That is in the ground definition of a binary large object (blob): You will never know what is going on until you do a deep research and that takes time as even in one generation of computers and boards there can have slight different components in usage (reasoning is cost or something different at manufacturing time). Libreboot was the compromise for systems running free as possible, now it is gone with the merge into that "os-boot"-project. From my point of view: A very wrong decision ruining Libreboot as project in a whole. And yes, I disagree with that "os-boot" from right the beginning: You can do that also with Coreboot, making no direct difference.

So the only reasoning for all the breakdown of the team behind Libreboot and the further takeover was the "planning to adapt both into one" and therefore making all the same. Libreboot as project has lost therefore its profile and meaning.

That's one point: https://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/lib … 1214/roms/

Okay, just to make clear point (not in relation to your posting, zapper): This on-going debates with Libreboot are really not amusing and the "binary blob reduction policy" is nothing more than a "light argument" to go now with newer mainboards. To name the point: https://libreboot.org/news/policy.html# … -with-fsdg

I would like to ask myself: Where should this "burned-in firmare" should be on those wifi-cards? Those cards don't even contain a processor to be able to run a firmware in the first place, regardless of whether "burned in" or uploaded from the kernel. Otherwise please correct: But from what I have seen there's no processor there for those devices to be able to execute a firmware. And that makes the argument really not working, also not in this graphic: Why should there be any difference between those cards from manufacturers? When there is need for any kind of processor, why should the Intel-version not contain that and demand also a non-free driver for loading non-free firmware? Those questions are surely already answered, no need for an answer. But this demonstrates the problem: Growing pragmatism is demolishing free and libre soft- / hardware for sure.

I stay at the version from 2016 for Libreboot as stated before. I see no need to follow the pragmatism and when using newer systems we can do what we can with Coreboot to reach a better choice and iterate through in time - more free implementations as example. It would be surely better to have more tutorials for flashing so people can reach out for technical emancipation on their own. Compile their own firmware-implementation!

Yes, but Phoronix is also not the best platform or source. I remember that time very good and thought it would get better. But well as shown here: It turned out else. Nevertheless: In some way Coreboot may look like a token, but as said ... it is just a compromise and also should be oriented for after-market foremost as it gives back a bit more control. When looking around what some manufacturing companies like Lenovo are doing: Old components in their builds or blacklisting peripherals like "unwanted" wifi-cards ... Coreboot is a good choice same way as the older released Libreboot, with most own builds done.

But there is nevertheless the first mentioned problem and also the pricing for hardware itself delivered throughout so-called freeom-oriented onlineshops. In an ideal world we would have free hardware, really meant that way, but as within our concurrent chosen ways for manufacturing this won't happen, neither with x86 nor with any other architecture from my point of view.

Nevertheless: Let us please stay at the concrete criticism itself, not only at the persons.
We won't change anything or anybody for sure. People have to do that on their own. What we can do for sure: Mention the problems we see, so people have the possibility to overlook the problems and get more into decentralized ways. Helping each other instead to focus onto first mentioned projects being than only depending on them and centralize again.

Coreboot and Libreboot in my opinion, don't solve everything also. I agree with you there. There is also the other linux problem which is allowing freedom restricting software to be added to it. The ironic part, is that its all freely licensed... which some think means its libre.

But it was made to break backwards compatibility and force adoption of newer software. Thus, proof that freedom respecting licenses can be used even for freedom restricting software if people are cunning enough.

I used to be quite a zealot for GNU/FSF. I still am for some of their causes, but I realized since I started *supporting HyperbolaBSD idea was mentioned to me, which I think was spoken about to me privately around sometime after 0.3 was out for Hyperbola... that yes, GNU/FSF doesn't take some threats seriously.

For example, if one type of software is all freely licensed under copyleft, but one is all permissively licensed but has an excellent security model,  choosing the first is foolish, if it doesn't have the potential as well as goal of exceeding the other one's security model.

Bloat = insecurity
Freedom is good

But those two things aren't always thought about together. It tends to be one or the other too often.

I used to think too highly of them, but now I realize that they are too weak on certain freedom issues not to mention privacy and security issues from freely licensed software.

Its just borderline insane that they put up with so much stuff that they should protest against instead.

Yet just the opposite is happening.

I think x86 including 64 bit could have a purpose till better things are available that are as or more libre. ARM stuff including 64 bit, is similar.

This being said, Risc-V depending on the implementation, Microwatt and Libre-Soc are all the best hope for the future as of now.

This however, is not a simple fight.

It might take a while for those to become available with or without full freedom.

Typo, meant supporting not using

I supported this idea long before most knew of it aka...

No problem.
Since the older website is removed and also the git-repository don't have the data as there seems to be a cut between a year back and than towards only starting again right at 2016 this seems to be the only source showing that case. And that is another point for me personal as those happenings are forgotten now. Also the rest of the story as there was a change for a democratic structure afterwards, a step back for maintaining and change of the team towards a more open structure. All of that seems gone and only the current structure is known - also from the data and for the structure as Libreboot was defined as democratic project.

Yes, I have noted that there was fork. But until today nothing more happened at the mentioned git-repositories: https://git.sr.ht/~libreboot/

So I would say we wait how this is developing. A constructive work together is always good and appreciated, but I would be happier if more people attend as GNUtoo has enough to do with Replicant and also is involved with Parabola as far I can see. When there is more development to be seen everyone can overlook the situation better. But I would also call for more help then if people have interest. Especially that's the problem in combination with the before mentioned pragmatism.