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Re: [Hyperbola] Going the way and packaging, the roadmap after 0.4

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Next for removal and also marked as critical not free and libre:

subversion
apache

Yes, those packages are long-time beloved but they are NOT free and libre. Approval here to read: https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks … ginal-name

mythes-en

picky and manipulative about their trademarks

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I do not even think trademarks are the best way to check who made what.

I see there are now git repositories, websites, checksums, digital signatures, and other ways.

I think even Sir Leonard Woolley found very old things like the "Royal Game of UR" had a tablet about it likely made by Itti-Marduk-balāṭu that was translated by Irving Finkle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Game_of_Ur

So if ancient things can still have people find out who made it, without even having trademarks, trademarks are likely not even needed.

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At a point is surely to understand that projects want a clean name. But as you have described it also: This has gone out of hands fully.

Yes some businesses wish to have a "clean name" but more trademark restrictions by these businesses may not even give these businesses a clean name, but a bad name.

If people can find about Itti-Marduk-balāṭu, it could be easy to see who made what program, especially when a large amount of people put there names in a git repository. Even if many people used the same trademark to make modified versions.

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It is more a quite simple point: Apache-projects and the combined trademark-guidelines endanger free, libre principles. The Apache Foundation has no interest to change this and we here have no interest to distribute and package software not open, free and permissive given. That is a fact, same as a fact for Rust, PHP and many others before.

Hyperbola react here strict: We remove those packages and software.
We could argue now why people are interested to have their names (and "rights" included) and we would surely come back with some answers. The end is the same: Nobody outside will change the trademarks. Personally said: Those packages will be enlisted to be complete incompatible with Hyperbola now and in the near future for sure. Yes, this means Hyperbola does not include subversion / svn and the Apache webserver also. But we also do not include nginx and have an own alternative compatible. We are happy, when we can reduce even more packages.

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Re: [Hyperbola] Going the way and packaging, the roadmap after 0.4

We will remove aom as this package does not fit into the community-oriented software Hyperbola is following. Initial added once as base for building with the hope this turning out better. Now it is clear: Not turning any way. Here more to see when just looking on the so-called "Founding Members": https://aomedia.org/membership/members/

Please note: Hyperbola is just declining those offered projects as we have enough reasonable doubts those are meant that way.

This means also we rework the following packages:

chromaprint
ffmpeg
gst-plugins-bad
libde265
libheif
vlc

We will also list aom same as others before as incompatible package from now on.

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throgh wrote:

We will remove aom as this package does not fit into the community-oriented software Hyperbola is following. Initial added once as base for building with the hope this turning out better. Now it is clear: Not turning any way. Here more to see when just looking on the so-called "Founding Members": https://aomedia.org/membership/members/

Please note: Hyperbola is just declining those offered projects as we have enough reasonable doubts those are meant that way.

This means also we rework the following packages:

chromaprint
ffmpeg
gst-plugins-bad
libde265
libheif
vlc

We will also list aom same as others before as incompatible package from now on.

Will decoding sound be harder because you are removing aom?

Decoding as in, convert mp4 to opus or mid to opus, or something other format of audio to opus.

Just examples above. But yeah, I am curious

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Re: [Hyperbola] Going the way and packaging, the roadmap after 0.4

The package aom has nothing to do with MPEG-4. It is the codec AV1, which is not that "open" like it is wished to be seen.

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The package aom has nothing to do with MPEG-4. It is the codec AV1, which is not that "open" like it is wished to be seen.

That is interesting, meh... no worries then.

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Good news: We have now managed to get webkitgtk building without libwebp. So we can remove this library finally.

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Re: [Hyperbola] Going the way and packaging, the roadmap after 0.4

Next to be removed:

simple-scan
libgusb

The project is deep integrated into the GNOME-project, so there is no way to have it seen independent: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/simple-scan/-/tags

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Good news: We have now managed to get webkitgtk building without libwebp. So we can remove this library finally.

sounds good. since you say libwebp is a security risk. Not even sure what that is used for. If I had to guess its webrtc, but idk.

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No, webp is a graphics-format, direct related to Google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webp
And libwebp is the library corresponding coming original from the Chromium-project. Furthermore there is a severe vulnerability reported and one of the main reasoning for us to remove it besides being NOT a community-oriented project.

Hyperbola has no interest to distribute any corporate project: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id … y_software
The only reasoning for us to keep libvpx and therefore webm is the orientation the project itself is following.

The original WebM license terminated both patent grants and copyright redistribution terms if a patent infringement lawsuit was filed, causing concerns around GPL compatibility. In response to those concerns, the WebM Project decoupled the patent grant from the copyright grant, offering the code under a standard BSD license and patents under a separate grant. The Free Software Foundation, which maintains The Free Software Definition, has given its endorsement for WebM and VP8 and considers the software's license to be compatible with the GNU General Public License. On January 19, 2011, the Free Software Foundation announced its official support for the WebM project.

The problems:

- No concrete analysis of social influence taken as we have here another trademark and license problem
- FSF is failing again its position as role-model given to show that there is not just only the license but also a social responsibility
- webp was and stays removed out of reasoning, webm stays here with a bit of questioning nevertheless

Concluding: Trademarks and patents are there and they are not "friends" but instead always a severe risk for free, libre software and culture. As long as patent holders give their agreement free and libre oriented systems and projects can use the software. But what happens when they stop with their agreement? That stays a danger and the reasoning for acting here.

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Re: [Hyperbola] Going the way and packaging, the roadmap after 0.4

Next to be removed:

byzanz
gnac
giggle

Listed projects have no BSD-port available and also no intention being there available. So we will remove them: If there is interest doing own ports in the future for HyperbolaBSD, feel free for sure.

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