Yes, it is definitely true...

People are not reading the wiki or the todo list and don't understand the reasons given for why packages are being removed...

Also, straight forks just suck. Deblobbing and no other changes = crap.

But yeah, the changes made to Hyperbola are pretty awesome. I am tired of corporations and I don't want them to control everything to do with linux.  I knew home was bad of course, but I didn't realize they were pushing proprietary crap. Well, unless systemd is considered proprietary... its license isn't proprietary, though its purpose is the same sadly... in a more creative yet destructive way.

Redhat and corporations like it, need to be more respectful and keep their hands off of gnu/linux and such, at least when it comes to breaking backwards compatibility and making bloated software. If they want to make stuff, fine... but don't overengineer it so that you are corrupting a good idea with your filth...

All in all I agree with you.  Security and Freedom are only being followed by a select few distros... ;/

Well it is mostly because lots of people that criticize have got limited or no brains at all...
And it is who linux users are these days as well, they can only criticize and nothing else
People who can only take and give nothng in return are just as useless.

Well I don't have a lot to say about this except one pattern I also noticed occaisionally within Trisquel users is people tend to make some criticisms, like a big one was that Trisquel was not up to date enough and that Ubuntu had more up to date versions of several packages, as an example, and then say a lot of very harsh things about the people making Trisquel often going so far as to say "this is why libre software will never work" or something along those lines.

And regardless of whether or not they had a legitimate criticism they just totally neglect to acknowledge the fact that someone is making the operating system presumably without pay, and with limited time and resources.

No matter what you can say about Trisquel, it is an extremely valuable thing for lots of people with privacy concerns who don't have experience with computers. Yeah there are problems with it and there are reasons I switched to Hyberbola but I always wanted to say to these critics "if you care so much about it, then you would be at least trying to be productive, because there isn't really an alternative to Trisquel right now and the people here are doing the best they can."

I think this is a similar attitude as to what y'all are mentioning here. I think it really just boils down to people getting worked up for some reason or another and reading something online and just venting without really thinking. They don't really want to change their ways even though they have the idea that they should try. They tend to feel attacked somehow by Trisquel or Hyperbola or whatever just like some people seem to feel attacked by the mere mention of Linux. Like you say you use Linux and then they go into an unsolicited rant about why they love their Macbook. Or maybe they really are just frustrated by something and they don't know how to fix it.

But I think as long as the operating system continues to stick to the principles it clearly lays out and as long as the developers do their best to make things functional and respond to concerns of the users to some basic level, this bad publicity won't do too much harm. I have read several comments on that It's Foss interview about Hyperbola where people were attacking Hyperbola's idea to move to BSD. I'm sure you're all aware.

But if Hyperbola switches to BSD and everything works like we want it to.... those people will look silly because they were just wrong.

Hello there, rinakra: Thanks for your feedback, but I have to first make something to correct. I don't work here at Hyperbola and I'm also part of the community as you and everyone else. The problem itself is mentioned as we as human beings often don't look behind the curtain. There is much to see at the git repository as André and Márcio work really hard giving more into HyperbolaBSD and HyperBK.

Personally I want to give also something back as I'm first a member here as you are.
So I do some experiments, some work for giving back, tipps and experiences with help and more. That brings me to the major point:

We can do many things. Bringing for example some packages here into Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre as you can also find a mirror of the repositories on LibreGit, where we as community can help. We can help with donations, making also something besides perhaps with Libreboot-devices? We can support the team and this also means we can support us here as peergroup, as community.

Which also means: We can spread the word that Hyperbola is done by people for people, not by some companies or interest-groups. It is really free software, open for everyone. There is so much to do and help the team, perhaps also doing some artwork for example? Some nice backgrouds and wallpapers for installation? I like it here from the start as this little community with this big project is really clear onto the principles and also creating own packages, not only making something known before more "kind of free". Be welcome, be part of it on any way you prefer!

Point taken, we are better off rising above the mountains of lost distros out there, by not criticizing everything they do wrong.
Once we try to correct, if they don't listen, just ignore I guess. Is probably best advice.

PS, my comment from 2019, was very ignorant, I apologize.

Well, reviving this thread here as we have again strange accusations and false information spreading around about Hyperbola. So I think it is needed to clear up again:

• Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre 0.4 is the next released version to come and it will not contain common Linux-frameworks like dbus, polkit, elogind, systemd, avahi or pulseaudio (list can be enhanced for sure).

• Hyperbola as project is onto absolute clear and strict rules for freedom, privacy and security. We don't go for other packging-systems, for applications and libraries not respecting those even if they are licensed and released under any free, permissive licenses available.

• As written here we are heading towards a free licensed and open BSD-kernel for the Hyperbola-project, which therefore will be also part of the main system. There will be no Linux-kernel then, it is a BSD-one. This will be then HyperbolaBSD!

• Yes, getting into the guidelines for packaging is not as easy as imagined and we will enhance them with more details to come also. But please: This is done for a common base, not to have anyone being in anger not to go the own way. You can do that, but have respect that we want to reach a common ground for the code-quality itself also. Nobody has in mind to get you upset and change something only with this reasoning.

• We won't provide support for semifree languages like Java, Mono, NodeJS or Rust. And yes: We have also our reasons for that. Read here about our reasoning for Rust especially!

• Hyperbola is about technical emancipation, user-freedom, security and privacy. This is also a reflection towards the community: Maybe we are not right big, but the system is therefore to be modified by YOU for the usage.

If anyone has some kind of problem with the points above: Please don't install Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre!
There are literally enough other systems and distributions available. There is no need to spread false information, wrong comparisons or any further accusations. And please: It is not kind in any way to do that in other forums or places. Nobody here can do anything about that for sure, but it is neither correct nor in any way helpful. If you have questions: Come here and ask, so the community is able to get a clear point to talk about WITH you. If you think Hyperbola itself is nothing worth your time, not a problem. The invitation stands for a discussion, but the pleasant meant part here is also that you don't spread false information and accusations around the global network. Thank you!

Just to mention: I'm not the only person here. The community is here and just to look at other people.

Founders
Developers
Artists
Security-Team
Support-Staff
Members made Hyperbola but are inactive (Fellows for a big THANK YOU)

And to finish here: Could we please stop that now? Playing some kind of nonsense-game referring towards older issues we are about to close with 0.4 is not okay. If you have questions: Ask them. Rest is up to everyone as nobody here would start to argue about others that way. Thanks again as I'd like to lay down this thread.

Just to pick some impressions fitting into your personal image is for sure not okay as you don't act onto facts: We have a wiki to be extended, we have a forum and you can look all the time at our git-repositories for things to come. I can only invite everyone being interested to look and / or help. And I won't do any more shadow-arguments! Stay fair and nice: There is room for that and no need about some kind of hunt who is "better", more into "better packages" or anything else. Have a nice evening or day! See you here treated with respect from us, so we hope being treated the same.

If you mean the whole DirectFB2 implementation, iidea,  heard that g4jc was interested in it as well.

But if it helps, I can discuss such things with interested parties within Hyperbola...

That being said,  been realizing more and more, as fast as I think, I still act quicker than I should before my thoughts have enough wisdom and logic to see if said idea is good or not.

Anywho, I will try to fight that urge in the future.

Ah, okay, so like oher distros, other OS, etc?

Probably your right more often than not about this specific issue.

Especially, due to  "hostility issues" or "misinformation"

Btw, not saying just  people who dislike their ideas or ours...

Both, is what I mean and the same goes double for misinformation, purposeful or unintentional.

Im pretty sure the easiest way to make developer happy is by using their software and give a feedback in polite manner and maybe also mention it to your friends to widespread their software. any advanced contribution might come later or not at all is optional.

I think is best not waste energy dealing with long uneeded discussion and therefore focus on the other task that matter. the truth always prevail, those misleading information will only backlash themselves and make us stronger in the future. thats the way of zen :)

Truthfully, not just the way of zen, whether people know it or not, there is a principle that might as well be the "persecution clause"

If you attack someone's ideology mercilessly without any interest in the truth or your own hypocrisy, then you will lose. This is also in other beliefs, including Christianity being one of them.

Not that people of my faith understand this, but meh... 

people are a mixed bag. Sometimes they do stuff without understanding the implications. I have been guilty of this, certainly. The biggest problem is those who think they never do even when they are pushed with correction. 

But point being, what you try to push down, will inevitably gain power due to others flocking to said cause.

This is a concept of reality.