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Re: [Hyperbola] Going the way and packaging, the roadmap after 0.4

Both were added and now part of the repositories. Nevertheless we are coming now in the next phase after release 0.4 and going towards 0.4.1. You can always look into the git-history about updates and added packages:

https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/~team/ … y-way-v0.4
https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/~team/ … y-way-v0.4

We have also removed now Mastodon as being no longer part for the community from now on. The reasoning is well known and easy: We are a small team and have no time to focus onto unneeded debates and discussions. If people have interest within this project, they are always invited to come here. But we won't carry water-buckets everywhere. The tryout had too much time and nevertheless we don't want to support endless anti-social discussions without being kind and friendly. The account on the linked instance of Mastodon will be left but not deleted for backup-reasons to look onto. Nevertheless it is no longer part of our communication and it is therefore no longer any kind of official place for announcements! And no: There will be no revive for this. We have for sure other more important things to do and this includes the upcoming version 0.4.1 and of course HyperbolaBSD, but no time-consume on those platforms. And we also have no need for so-called communication-strategies as we can for sure make nice graphics and messages, but we prefer also first fill everything with useful and stable software and not illusions or empty promises. wink

Consider being small and stable instead of big and without any profile or values at all.

We have recognized that there is not that much interest into Hyperbola and especially HyperbolaBSD. So we will do what we do with all the community and everyone is for sure invited. Nevertheless: Official end of water-buckets carried after people.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Quick note btw, was going to ask about a package being added...

Not for  the GNU VERSION!

Just to be clear...

wink

I don't really need it for that, its actually pretty darn easy to get already...

Also, its more improtant HyperbolaBSD gets into a stable place, then anything else in Hyperbola at this time.

smile

HyperbolaBSD: The Future of Secure Libre Lightweight Operating Systems!

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Which package concrete? You have not mentioned the name for any project. smile
And please remember: This is not wishlisting here. It is the roadmap for Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre after version 0.4 released, nothing more, nothing less. You are always invited to create own packages and post them here in the forums. It is better for all of us: Getting a wider testing adhoc, more feedback about missing parts and more. Waiting for the minority to add it? Well, that's also possible. But as mentioned not the best.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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We are also going to review some earlier added packages within 0.4 again: The reasoning behind is the growing list of dependencies for some applications especially. Remember therefore: It is not just the point about enhancements. The more dependencies and libraries needed the more security-problems can and will occur. All of them are vectors for possible problems besides that is the main reasoning so-called "modern applications" have so many problems. Better to have it like the known ways: Do just one thing, but do it good!

Applications telling about being "swiss knife" for everything should not and will not be part of Hyperbola.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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We are going to remove dino from our repositories as it is not following the idea of lightweight and simple applications. In special dino includes mandatory dependencies for gspell and webrtc within the newer release 0.3.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Re: [Hyperbola] Going the way and packaging, the roadmap after 0.4

throgh wrote:

We are also going to review some earlier added packages within 0.4 again: The reasoning behind is the growing list of dependencies for some applications especially. Remember therefore: It is not just the point about enhancements. The more dependencies and libraries needed the more security-problems can and will occur. All of them are vectors for possible problems besides that is the main reasoning so-called "modern applications" have so many problems. Better to have it like the known ways: Do just one thing, but do it good!

Applications telling about being "swiss knife" for everything should not and will not be part of Hyperbola.

Gnuplot would be a nice addition, base Emacs' calc requires it to make graphs.

There's a PKGBUILD on parabola I think with the "nox/headless" variant. That variant can be slighty tweaked to work under X with basic support and very few dependencies. Maybe libgd, change the configure flags and that's it (and OFC the sha512sum):

#fooblahblah
depends=('gd' 'readline' 'lua' 'ncurses')
#blablah
--with-x=yes
--with-gd=yes

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnuplot-headless

I know Emacs it's a kitchen sink, not so Unixy or Hyperbola-like, but I think about it as an amazing
ELISP environment, able to a lot of stuff by itself.

What I miss on hyperbola it's the GCC8 libjit library, that may be enough to compile an Emacs 28 native build with libjit support, making it much faster on lots of areas and thus having far less locks (GNUS still locks on I/O, but meh).

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When you miss something and find it being able to be added: Feel free to do and share it afterwards here in the forums. This thread is for sure not a wishlist and just for open communication what will happen now and soon beyond 0.4. For sure there will be some more packages to come, but we won't that much more also. Point about quality before quantity and as dino showed very good that many are not even possible to be integrated without loosing the focus. Hyperbola is community-driven and there can be also alternative repositories besides core and extra being added when people have interest to do that.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!