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Topic: invalueable ideology

ideology is integrity and to read all of this is vindicating notions or should i say open questions which have formed over my time in my mind. rhetorically repeating these here: what is achieved? am i missing something or am i overthinking things? why does it feel so wrong? like that 'portishead' song 'roads'

i am also contemplating that exhaustion is like an anvil to me... not just me, but all my friends right now. i keep wondering how to get out of that rut. staying offline and reading books has helped tremendously... keeping these few, reasonable, pockets where i read from and sometimes write to. like here, i'm writing for the first time after having swung by to read the wiki and peek into the forums since a few years back.

i don't really have a point in writing this post. if there's one, it's maybe that i like writing lists. i'd love to research and compose lists over _actually free_ source code (languages, managers, tools, foobar) then discuss and conclude after some insight¹. i could start something on Miraheze.org to avoid encumbering the Hyperbola wiki /talking out loud

[1] for example Red-lang's Boost license, whether that is truly free or as Rust's.

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Hey, welcome to the forums. Stating this so far: Surely you are not that alone with the feelings. But it is not wrong to take a step back. So let's start at this as a wise and beloved human being from my spheres told: "When something is not working in the smallest parts, it is not working also in the greater ones."

The meaning is clear to see: Let's build small parts, small projects, take steps more and more back. Leave the so-called "internet" to whoever wants it as it is clearly not a place to run for. Let's take small niches, small systems, small software running. Without the dreams for whatever kind of sizing bigger. That's not working. But with the good ideas and good deeds there are perhaps others around interested also within those smaller "places" instead trying always to rethink what is broken. Something broken can be repaired, if there is a will. The question is: Is there really any will to "repair"? Or for the moment only more interest into hatred, harassment, derailing, fakes, lies and propaganda around? So if that's the point, we take a step backwards and preserve what's possible while also keep a warm and comfy place for all democrats and defenders of a colourful living space. smile

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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I appreciate reading that quote from your spheres. Also that it's all down to the will to repair, the context you put that it.

Currently I'm delving into the the late Niklaus Wirth's languages - specifically Modula-2 to begin with, while also looking at a complete OS in a later language of Niklaus Wirth ⁰ : Oberon ¹, used to make everything from system to applications to web inside AOS ² ³ ⁴ (however only not the bootloader.) I was endeared when seeing it runs "like an application would" hihi, so i tried it out without VM - both "a program" and an operating system.

I tried reading C, but I have difficulty with a terse and lowercase-sensitive source code. I can understand linguistical and UPPERCASE-SENSITIVE =,)



[0] truly free, as i understand, so it is out of respect for his academical efforts in regards to laying foundations for structured programming together with others like Edgar W. Dijsktra. also the fact that these languages are ascetically simple. no bloat haha, but also not terse nor unlegible.
[1] https://github.com/norayr
     i found several programs and libraries written in Oberon collected at this person's site (alas it's a non-free hosting site. but i saved and can fork to free hosts under helpful licenses.)
[2] https://gitlab.inf.ethz.ch/felixf/oberon
[3] https://www.progtools.org/article.php?n … e=tutorial
[4] https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/46523.html

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Regarding the steps back and finding niches: I hope to find one here.

Where there's people who can reason there's more good to come, irregardless of that's about (foo | bar); because both foo & bar would be reasonable.

Since some time now I have wondered whether a solution to the loss of autonomy a webbrowser "gives" each (used) person might be to return to networking without browsing... there are many wonderful FUSE mounting programs already ⁰. I will want to wrap these when I can, so a FUSE-Manager.

Searching without the ubiquitous blackbox that is a searchengine. Just

find ./ | grep -iF FooBar

and

grep -rnw ./ -e FooBar

, those who care also care to organize their directories. So federating directories with eachother. It will certainly be a niche, but a source of power in communicating messages containing knowledge without mediation.

At the same time I dream of giving others an EXIT CHANNEL inside their regularly scheduled indoctrination... a "hey, here's all i know, no payment plans and no gatekept knowledge that's watered down!" However a good reason to stay this is not - the opposite: staying presents a problem for all.

[0] SSHFS, to mention one i find very interesting. Perhaps equally interesting to me is the ENiGMA BBS that also is run over SSH.

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The generic issue with free software and also its progression: The growing dependency-tree and the resulting complexity. To await from every user being able to manage and follow on-going the growth of complexity is an illusion and a very bad one. Nevertheless the majority within the sphere of free, libre software seem to await especially that. And not talking about leaving users as just "users" while not looking on simplicity but on convenience and complexity. That is all not working when we talk about "technical emancipation". This word is an elementary part of Hyperbola and its history as system-project.

Users are also developers at any given time of their own will. They can also be "users" at their choice. But to leave people out as they cannot follow the complexity is a wrong approach.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Ideologically I've understood this later, personally realizing the consequences of existing within such influences of Windows or Steam or Google/Youtube (search engines, hosting, et al) before grasping the importance of finding that one binding thread. Though it does come as simple and obvious as ideology can let the world be: i never learnt how to use an operating system when using Windows, by design... i never learnt how to make games while playing on Steam, by design... i never learnt how to organize nor share files when using Google's sites, by design.

Just now I found SPIN - based on MODULA-3 - and add this alongisde AOS - based on Active Oberon. I can actually begin to understand the source code in these. Thanks to modularity, thanks to structure, thanks to the ascetically simple intent from designers and implementers of these languages(!!!)

I feel fractally similar to how discovering Decker⁰ was... here is a game in which the tools are kept as part of the game. I can at any moment stop a game made in Decker, edit the code- edit the of text & sprites- then move on to continue playing. This is as daunting as it is because of that indoctrination to the contrary... in feudalist terms: the peasant fears wielding the sword for themselves, instead wanton a knight to go along with that sword (a peasant isn't a knight) BUT That is where fairytales help smile let the peasant grow into a knight and fend for themselves.

Similarly was it daunting to sit infront of the timeless void of the console. I was always inexpliccably afraid, much because of a lack of kinaesthesia and visual elements to proxy an understanding of concepts onto, however a decade later and I feel comfortable in a console. Much more about what I know there to be than what is shown. so much is shown that isn't true today, with caches of wellmeaning programs even, that infering according to an autonomous understanding of a machine's state is necessary. "no, the data is still in RAM, not on disk. sync MIGHT put it onto disk." and "no, my computer isn't old, despite this website saying so. exiting the website doesn't change that- closing the webbrowser MIGHT free RAM."

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I write because I feel HyperbolaBSD is important to this movement for commoners, as I understand it. I see the ideological aims of my own and this project coincide also.

While I could in no way support by reading and writing C code, I do already support some financially on Liberapay under the moniker <3HyperbolaBSD<3
While I want to financially support more, I could, I can't reason with remarks from my closest sphere about how could I know the code is good if I can't read it. Perhaps that is related to this thread, perhaps that is for another thread.

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It is not only HyperbolaBSD or better not only exclusive as Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre is the base for HyperbolaBSD upcoming. All packages included are for this elementary goal. wink

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Haha right =9 makes me smile to be reminded, but i kind of forgot.

I will definitively need a wiki dedicated to determine which is and which isn't free programs - according to the four freedoms.

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Haha, nice to know I am not the only one loving the syntax of Niklaus Wirth languages.
Coming back to the point of the discussion. I find the selection of packages of hyperbola of great value (materializing the ideology), often I check the packages available there to decide the software to use also in other OS's.