You know: There is no cloud, just other people's computers!

That sentence demonstrates very good the essential problem: The "internet" is of NO solution. And talking about: I think it would be better to cut the rope for different services and so-called remote storage complete instead developing more illusions like "safer encryption". It is for sure an illusion as the data is NOT in reach. Different services like those anti-social platforms brought even more problems. And even Wikipedia has its problems, being not fully free, independent and emancipated for inclusion. Again: Do I think this kind of "internet" should be developed further? No, absolutely not. Building on top from all of that is no solution, only a big problem.

Saving data locally, making mirrors of what is needed and stop trusting anything being there "forever". Emancipation is not working without trust, but not on the "other people's computers". You cannot hope for "next cool development in encryption" all-time. Better to use what is there and not trust into some services. Besides the "internet" is also about much egoism: People want that storage only because of convinience again, not for any further solutions. Just past a day Twitter was bought from another person with interest making that some so-called "place for freedom of speech". We all know what is really meant: Insulting others, do whatever is wanted without some consequences. But there are and will be consequences as there is no freedom without responsibility. Same as with the illusion of remote data stored: There are consequences and no encryption can make it revereted. It is just that: The convinience and egoism going full ahead as long as people are not willing that we all can provide a solution with insights, helping and understanding. With searching for next technical enhancements there won't be any solution, just more of the same.

Hmm, depends: The story from Orwell wants to teach something more about the sides we choose as we may have a choice. We can choose to be on the egoistic side. But this is for a price as we take the choice of others away. Or we choose way different: A decision for inclusion and using own privileges to get others protected and then out of misery and danger. But this were different times back. The generic to be told is nevertheless the same today: Don't let it come to the point where only revenge is important.

It is strange that also 1984 was found only relevant in some points as the so-called "Big Brother" is decared and used, but not the further lesson coming out. Orwell warned about many things, but most about the point when we loose the basic thoughts of empathy and solidarity. It is the point to answer with Nietzsche:

So the ignorance is a problem and perhaps we should not forget that all humans were children once. We should preserve the prespective from that in my point of view. Looking at the world with big eyes and discover wonders within an utopian fantasy: Being believable for remembering that!
No one knows hatred from the beginning, no one knows greed and ignorance. We are taught that ways later on and we should remember that those are not important. Building societies onto only that is a failure. Free culture is for me speaking the child's perspective of an ideal picture and to give hands with kindness and in combination with strict, straight values for respect and empathy. Doing harm onto that vaues means also going the opposite way for ignorance. And yes: That means also sometimes to exclude and be very hard onto those parts, but without any further need to go after either individuals or groups.

I would begin then with another quote:

The point being about that is our all decision. Democratic values are very, very sensible and they are very harmed even now while we are talking, for sure. The generic problem is to recognize ignorance. And yes, the word is like a red blinking light here in this thread.

They are the same human as you and me. That's the reasoning of the story behind "Animal Farm": The roles and their understanding. I think it is better to break through that roleset and completely try to remove it. That's the reasoning behind a statment like "No borders, no countries." as those borders are also in our heads and there is so much more coming: Mentioned before no one has an understanding of hatred right from the beginning. It is part of our social construct to learn that and the mechanisms behind. Hate is marked as the opposite of love and therefore one of the extreme emotions we have as beings. Should we hate? Not at all. But what to do with the mechanism we have learned and how can we overcome that? Because that's the essential question. For me answering: Better to describe and criticize the point being instead of individuals. Better to warn for problems in society, always be aware about dangers going on, risks on the move like groups of people against democratic values. Sometimes they don't even recognize that and it would be the easiest way. Most not. But there are so many stories and warnings also with the essential question: Who is watching the watchers? So whenever I have that question in mind I should remind myself also that I can describe and watch, but I'm not alone and that is what we two are doing here: We are in a discussion. The essential key element we need even more on our nice planet.

There is the point: One SORRY is never enough for all the cruel deeds and harm done. I know that those in beginning of the quote are only examples, but why not completely removing the "wall street" instead of creating new ones? Making people even, that what we all are right from the beginning and that what we always will be. See, the point about fascism being that hard to be recognized is: There is so much being mixed into. It is a pure right ideology in the making, but never standing still and the key element to go against its movement is the democratic discussion. Recognize problems, harsh thoughts and more. Therefore the quote from the beginning, therefore all the postings before. Criticism is always needed, but this alone is hard enough when being rejected. And our global society is not aware of the problems, rejecting already. When we underline criticism with comparisons from literature, that's one point. But another using ironic names or stating comparisons like "pigs" always. The meant criticism is not only ignored, it is than used as example why no need to be listened. The individual, the group or others go than more with a bitter taste, but not without recognizing the problems and explanations. They are just left there. Next time the criticism will be even more harsh and hard, to be repeated as long as possible leaving in enedless circles. Breaking through only with self reflection, explanations or going more into the abyss mentioned. Ignorance is not only there, it is also learned: Either from the beginning or through those vicious circles.

Hmm, then let's have this thread here lighten up. By means: Always have a slight candle glowing whenever possible and so you are invited the same to share thoughts, discuss and reflect as everyone else here for being believable. As sometimes we need to believe in ourself for a better tomorrow. Even as Elon Musk bought Twitter for now and people are right again onto selecting other ways: The question is like before ... do we really need those platforms like Twitter or Mastodon? Or is the more essential question: Was our way to communicate destroyed long before? By reducing information far beyond being full for sense. By concentrating either the data on one platform or having the data shared between different instances. Either way: We have lost control and nevertheless democratic participation is needed more than ever before.

As you have noted: Going back for a step further is better.
The "absolute freedom of speech" as Elon Musk is now spreading for his so-called plans will have people surpressed even more, when they have no voice and never had before, because they were ignored. Only hearing out the loudest and harshest voices is a way for being cruel, not for freedom. I hope the people will see that one day, before it is too late.

And to all the people out there calling for "freedom" and "free speech": Learn first your own part about responsibility. You cannot open the box of pandora and afterwards being surprised about the outcome. Reflect your own privileges and use wise for protecting others, not only yourself.

Simplified and shortened messages are just more of the same known paradigm: They are marketing and most the time with very bad consequences. So first things first here right now for that posting: You are not breaking any kind of so-called chains with any GNU/Linux. Even though many of them are more of the known convinience and just to count some: Mixing free and clear non-free packages together? No clear licenses called within the packages distributed? Making foul compromises for having the users not to choose what they want to install or not?

So you are changing not for sure something when you go out for pragmatic choices. Instead you are following foul marketing with shortened and simplified phrases. Nothing for being believable! Using the chance again to underline the difference: Mastodon told once being a difference and using a different take. But is there a real chance? Well, in the end the clear answer is just NO. As long as that is marked as kind of hobby or collecting experiences with administration people will stick towards values of free culture at all. But guess what: There are enough people now calling out for companies taking part and going further. So either this is just another failed wave of people coming by for a short visit or that kind of chance for real social interaction without pure materialism and capitalism is long forgotten at this point. You see here also: We will never solve social problems throughout technology. Not possible at all and same way as Linux (without GNU) other projects are going to fail because we humans have not learned that economy and numbers are not of highest value and greed is only destroying instead of creating. But we'll see about that all soon enough and for the moment people are counting again their "followers" on Mastodon! Brave new world of the copycat-services, not within technology-stack but within people not understanding they will ruin everything without learning or thinking, just taking their whole learned nonsense from one service to another and so the vicious circle will never end.

And what is going on the platforms? Daily as usual: People taking screenshots, fingerpointing at each other and while that is going further, others embrace hatred and pure cruel harassment, driving the global society towards more. Congratulations, a brave new world. Perhaps reading Aldous Huxley again would help?

What is the purpose of information technology? Included are hard- and software. Making it easier all along for people to get on information? Yes, sure. But also to be in full control HOW to get and save information. Seriously to tell: We have missed the point right now and personally I am ashamed that IT (shortform for "information technology") has caused so much damage that it looks like being beyond to repair. What is the meaning of this?

First things first: The internet was a nice tryout but is now more or less just a corporate network. The known developments like "cryptocurrencies" or "decentralized platforms" are nothing more than a big lie and betrayal of ourselves. What do we want to build on top? Systems consuming so much more energy that they cause more harm onto our environment and climate? And please: Stop using excuses for "cryptocurrencies". There is enough approval that those are of no use at all. You want a better future for all beings on earth? Think other ways not those. The communities within "cryptocurrencies" being approved of absolutely toxic and harmful towards different groups of beings, making disgusting jokes out of people, insulting them or even go further with harassment.

The global network was a nice tryout for independent and free thoughts once but corporate thoughts and more centralization than ever before destroyed that to the grounds. We have created our own dystopian vision of this now within the last years. It is not all alone some "evil masterplan". It is just that: We have missed the point. People did not care enough for free hard- and software.

Only a free and libre system could provide the first step toward technical emancipation. Not all alone the "internet" or free information-structures. But this point is also missed and messed up: People  acted and act careless for dependencies and even now "Linux" is going also beyond more ignoring essential problems: Rust and licensing? Unfree and closed firmware-blobs? Unfree platforms being part of essential desktop-environments and packages.

When you enter the global network with the interest to be active for "free and libre culture" you will for sure get into the spheres where others tell you Google, Amazon, Microsoft  and / or Apple have damaged and ruined everything. Surprise: They did not. They got the access to do that from all of us and by intention. Reasoning? Well, different ones. Some told "they have nothing to hide", others could not care less about as "they are not harmed directly". So many false reasonings with so less imagery for the whole damage. You think democratic always existed and can defend their existence on their own? You should see: Those values don't vanish directly, they do it slowly, step by step.

So in the end we all ruined the global network: With our selfish actions, with our attitude towards convinience, with all included. But we could do it the other way around. Instead of thinking for false activism: Engage in projects like Hyperbola. Try to embrace technical emancipation. Yes, there is time to be used for learning. But in th end? You can support and help, you are able to support your points and help others to get there also. The mobile devices are of no usage because they are no solution and will never be free. And modern hardware? Going the same way as "golden cage" because of all the mentioned points before. The so-called easy "applications", online platforms and online-shops? Same as how many parts we want to ruin more? It is all connected with our convinience, our way to get data and information right ahead - with a payment also now more. And no: Streaming is also the same included. Paying for nothing, renting just a bit of time and others decide what is available and what not? How long do you think until that concept will be everywhere as many rent even "software" (software as a service) or rent some account to have access to gaming and get locked when renting is over. Software and information transported has to be free, has to be open and transparent. For all to learn. Otherwise this is just a "corporate progress", but not for the democractic society. And capitalism will use everything to get even more "profit", also fascists ideologies, so don't fool yourself with "I have nothing to do with that". I have, you have and we all have for being believable. And remember: Stop running behind cheap lies like "Open-source builds better business" as "business" never understand values like ethics or human rights. It is just about "profit", nothing more and nothing less.

Haven't been responding to this thread for a while...

That being said, trying to whip up your base into a violent frenzy, using at least more than half of all speech as hate speech or misinformation, should get anyone's platform kicked off for a while... if your "moderators" are banning the people who are trying to put the truth out there and are being nonviolent, case in point, twitter,  facebook, odysee, bitchute, discord and stuff like it, should have gotten a permantent ban by now, for this and their clear lack of security and invading privacy constantly while making meaningless solutions and excuses.
Not to mention putting people in danger by not having people who spread misinformation about covid, aka, outright lies that either endanger other people or themselves, or both.
To be honest,, there probably is no solution with the current web...
Well...
Except of course, to ban the idiotic standards that got us to this place that those idiotic mega giant corporations have put in place.
Given the climate change in addition to endangerment of minorities and groups that are targetted already and the privacy issues in general...
It would be nice, if these mega giant corproations would be shutdown for good.
Google? get out of here man....
Microsoft? Yeah... no, we don't need your insecure idea of what is a web, besides you have proven time and time again that you get malware 10000x easier than google's phone devices even. So... yeah no.
The list is endless, but yeah...
Like you said before,  the current web is the problem.
Unless javascript and other frameworks that are bloated are banned from being forced down the world's throats... including crimeflare, then things seem to be a problem.

That being said,  it would be very helpful if mother nature could force the human race to destroy these data centers for fear of their lives.
Obviously not after we are at the point of no return, but like, within 10 years before we reach that point.

Its possible, that such a thing is further away then the human race scientists think it is, but its also possible that it might not be, or that it wouldn't matter because while the world and everything around it might survive and recover, human life could begin to fade away.

Now that the negative crap is said,

even Mastodon and stuff that is decentralized, has issues of similar stuff.

To be honest, it would be wise, if all social media websites restricted viewership of everything to everyone but members as a default instead of being auto available by default.

There are probably other default settings that need to be enforced/set too though, as a default. Aka, privacy is the DEFAULT, not the other way around!

My point being, there is definitely some ray of hope, but it does involve people coming to their senses. I do think it will happen eventually, even if it takes a while.

I only pray it happens sooner than later man.

Btw as a final thought, you can say that there is no take over stuff happening, but that is actually false!

Are they getting this from manipulating people in general?
yes, they are.
But that doesn't mean that they aren't still even more guilty, for thinking they deserve everything under the sun.

Evil men do take over when good men do nothing, which is true.

But yeah, that still doesn't mean that the evil men aren't about ten thousand times more guilty.

Also, not all men are the mega guilty ones...
This is the order of guilt:

Control Freaks with no conscience who want to control everything and havet he worst intentions known to man: the worst
The Megalomaniacs who think they know what is right but are very misguided or who are willng to roll over on everything just so they can not be inconvienced at all and think everyone who opposes this idea are anti-social or paranoid = the next worst
Those who are afraid of #1 and #2 and do nothing
Those who are willing to do something in some way to fight them but not go too far
Those who are willng to fight more than just the above and actually remove a lot of crap in their airspace to make life harder for the top 2 terrible ones
Those who are willing to debloat and deproprietarize as much of their life as they can
I probably have the last 3 examples in some ways...
Those who go above and beyond to focus on security even if it means making their job extremely hard and messy = this is Hyperbola on many levels to be honest, but it is mega worth it.

These are what I would call the categories I most often see regarding this stuff, there is also probably at least one more, if not more, but anywho this one I am aware of also: where people are too ignorant to know what is going on, but would change stuff if they could

You can disagree with this list if you wish, or add stuff, modify it, etc...

But some of these do actually happen to be beliefs people hold, to some extent, in some combination or another.

Anywho, peace, gonna sleep!

But while we are staying at the point ignorance: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= … &num=1

I quote the framing used:

Is it a "dream"? Remember: Using hardware can and is ruining environment. It is not about energy-consumption alone: It is about materials being used for creating any kind of new board and part for computing. In combination with the growing speed every part is defined as "more useless" the damage is growing. You think you buy this one and can use it for years to come? Okay, maybe but that is depending also onto yourself. Will you be okay with the point or will you search then for "more" as others tell about newer parts and therefore hardware being "more free" (more out of the so-called dream)? There is a context between the ever on-going search and the never being fulfilled dream of "full free hardware", and of course more "power for computing" because simple websites uses that much memory nowadays being full with nonsense like videos, animations and more.

In summary: Coreboot alone does not make something really good and buying especially brand-new hardware is also to be seen more critical, when parts will be never capable for recycling. And Linux (without GNU) has broken the concept of using older hardware for many years to come also. You want to name problems? Java / OpenJDK, Rust, NodeJS (and resulting electron) and yes also newer technologies like Vulkan. Has Vulkan brought anything better as having nonfree gaming being better to run with nonfree libraries (Wine with nonfree additions) and nonfree platforms (Steam to name one)? The answer is easy but poor: Not really. And having even more implementations using only those technologies make it even more out of a problem because: How to use older hardware than?

And I am sure that it is for sure no problem to make a compromise so older hardware can be used not only longer. We need to rethink that part completely. Bought such a "dream" gives also responsibility. When nobody wants that special board later on, what do you think about to do with it because the "web" and "services" demand newer hardare (more encryption, more capabilities and the never-ending illusion about "progression")? The answer is: We are responsible for the parts we have bought because the companies produced that just count in numbers. What you do with any kind of product later on is your decision, but remember you need the illusion to consume. The opposite should be part of our thoughts: Stopping the endless consume! The more lightweight the system, the better the opportunities for hardware saving power for something different.

We should talk about politics in general also and never loose the focus onto that: What do we need most? Strong leadership? For sure not: We need politics and politicians being full of integrity and with an elementary understatement for moral and ethics first. For sure we need than also politicians understanding the concept of "capitalistic" processes and that those are of no help. In fact: Where is the point of help from those telling always "where would we have been without the companies"? When people suffer and die literally out of missing medical treatment? When food has gone missing? When there is no further supply?

And than what? Making contracts being nothing more than the a black page because you don't know what you have done with all the additions and given rights to companies doing whatever they want. As always said: That's not part of any "evil masterplan". It is just short handling and ignorance. The one side says nothing to the other and around. Reasoning? One side want a fast solution, the other is giving that but without any warranties and because nobody has read through or is asking questions or showing that parts to all this is going for sure bad. I don't say to understand all parts complete, but what is the conclusion finally? Well, a warning first: The more people think politics are bad and politicians are weak the more the simple mind of us humans think about one "strong leader". We should know better because history and all concurrent events telling us the opposite. Democracy is sensible and not made for single-sided power. But there would be a chance also: Thinking about free culture with free flow of information. We need that for sure, the same as a good story to believe in. Otherwise things like technical emancipation are not only out of reach, they are far away in another universe. And don't fool yourself: The phrase "good story" means for sure no illusions, no foul compromises.

You remember the first scenes from the movie "2001"? Remember the angry apes murdering? Remember that we all are descendants from those. We should always remember that, but we don't have to be mean, don't have to be angry. Our strength is to be more like that as a "good story" is including empathy, solidarity and kindness.

While it is dissapointing that this is a shiny new board and not something we already own this advancement will make show more people about coreboot and increase aweareness of atleast partially open firmware solutions. The sad reality is most people are in between a core 2 duo and a shiny new alder lake and can't use coreboot like me. I deeply thank Hyperbola for being so motivated for keeping the system as minimal and fast as possible despite all the odds
EDIT: NVIDIA Open Kernel Modules only support 3000 or newer cards again forcing you to throw out hardware to get something that isn't even fully free