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Offensive question for everyone being into Gnome or KDE: What are those desktop-environments about in the end? Are they about a choice? Yes, there are many things reached until now, thanks also to those projects and the team / individuals behind. That's really outstanding, of course. But where is the freedom of choice (well, one of the major points at all) when those desktop-environments presenting themselves as the "ultimate solution"? Being installed by default for example? Used by default making the impression there is no further need for the users to choose. But free software is about a choice to take, making many choices at all. The alternative is nothing less to loose everything in the end, making some really questionable decisions and compromises. There is the warning: Conferences, getting bigger and bigger, just with financial interests at all - most of the common we have at proprietary software and services in general. A Gnome OS? Well? Sounds like what? Another "completed environment"? Where is the freedom of choice in the end? Where is the open minded way to modify the system? That's the major interest for me to use GNU/Linux and the concurrent tools within, for using free software. To discover, to modify, to learn and to share. We'll loose that all and included the way being believable. sad

That's not the failure of the team behind Gnome or KDE at all. It's about us all and how we communicate, how major distributions communicate in general and presenting themselves. We have it in every testing scenario of some so-called webportals being into technology: When they present "Ubuntu" as "Linux" most people just take this as common sense. Not a good path and you see this already within the article I've posted here, same as major webportals being into Linux (without GNU) like Phoronix, not even one single mentioning of alternatives for systemd or other bloatware! Same with It's FOSS: Full with shortened information and of course .. the known proprietary services for (anti-)social networking. I'm not the one to declare what is right and wrong, of course. But that's a warning, just this and nothing more. Try to keep up being openminded for the smaller ones, for distributions and projects doing something different. They take time, of course. But they try to keep up being clear and strict into principles. And hey "Arch Linux" migrated where with their PKGBUILD-scripts? Guess what Github as proprietary service-framework. Well, nothing "evil" to see here but the "evil" comes up later and based on really wrong decisions to centralize everything, to make some false standards, making everything "default" like systemd itself. That's the way? You like it to download from centralized systems? I don't. The software itself stays free, but it is a risky dance and nobody knows where those centralized, proprietary services go in the future and what they really demand later on.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Therefore free, libre soft- and hardware needs also a discussion about the phrase "free as in freedom" in general. Yes, that's a good one. But companies like Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Apple are mixing this up, taking their own advantage of this. And what exactly is going to change for the "better"?

First things first: What is the "better"? Well, that's based on views in general. But I'd say an environment for every living here on the planet to live in peace and freedom would be a starting point. Enough to eat and not to starve, no harassment and no fight for living places, being individual with own understanding and understanding for empathy towards others either human being or not. Okay, and the base would be ethical choices. Yes, there can be companies to provide services, no problem. But what kind of services? Being clear about that: No company can offer something "social" in our actual system named "capitalism"!

There is the problem: The phrase "free as in freedom" was done and constructed when companies denied mostly the idea of "open-source" included in free software. Remember the campaigns Microsoft did? Remember those horrible wordings and their attacks onto "free, libre software"? What now? Pretending they "love open-source"? No, they do not, especially as a complete monolithic name Microsoft will never do this until the day their complete software is released under a free, permissive license, being ready to review and compile for everyone. There are really good people working there, trying to be ethical and into freedom. But let's be honest: When it comes up to decisions it's all about the maximum money, not about ethical choices for the masses. And there is the problem: Making money out of "free, libre soft- and hardware"? Okay. But giving something back? Well, it depends. Microsoft is doing this with some really little pieces and pretending further to be in "love with open-source". As mentioned: That's a marketing gag. Because we can see that: Has Wine got some information rewarded for their outstanding work? Or did Microsoft released some older products into the public, including the source-code? Games or something? No, nothing. Same with Apple, same with Google, same with most other companies.

It's about the "profit", not about ethics. Therefore the phrase should also got a rework: Free as in freedom, being always ethical!
A proposal to think of, a first starting point for discussions. And we need those, as free, libre software and open-source split up long ago. Going different paths. In general most people don't even know the difference at all and struggle to recognize with the mentioned phrase itself.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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throgh wrote:

Offensive question for everyone being into Gnome or KDE: What are those desktop-environments about in the end? Are they about a choice? Yes, there are many things reached until now, thanks also to those projects and the team / individuals behind. That's really outstanding, of course. But where is the freedom of choice (well, one of the major points at all) when those desktop-environments presenting themselves as the "ultimate solution"? Being installed by default for example? Used by default making the impression there is no further need for the users to choose. But free software is about a choice to take, making many choices at all. The alternative is nothing less to loose everything in the end, making some really questionable decisions and compromises. There is the warning: Conferences, getting bigger and bigger, just with financial interests at all - most of the common we have at proprietary software and services in general. A Gnome OS? Well? Sounds like what? Another "completed environment"? Where is the freedom of choice in the end? Where is the open minded way to modify the system? That's the major interest for me to use GNU/Linux and the concurrent tools within, for using free software. To discover, to modify, to learn and to share. We'll loose that all and included the way being believable. sad

That's not the failure of the team behind Gnome or KDE at all. It's about us all and how we communicate, how major distributions communicate in general and presenting themselves. We have it in every testing scenario of some so-called webportals being into technology: When they present "Ubuntu" as "Linux" most people just take this as common sense. Not a good path and you see this already within the article I've posted here, same as major webportals being into Linux (without GNU) like Phoronix, not even one single mentioning of alternatives for systemd or other bloatware! Same with It's FOSS: Full with shortened information and of course .. the known proprietary services for (anti-)social networking. I'm not the one to declare what is right and wrong, of course. But that's a warning, just this and nothing more. Try to keep up being openminded for the smaller ones, for distributions and projects doing something different. They take time, of course. But they try to keep up being clear and strict into principles. And hey "Arch Linux" migrated where with their PKGBUILD-scripts? Guess what Github as proprietary service-framework. Well, nothing "evil" to see here but the "evil" comes up later and based on really wrong decisions to centralize everything, to make some false standards, making everything "default" like systemd itself. That's the way? You like it to download from centralized systems? I don't. The software itself stays free, but it is a risky dance and nobody knows where those centralized, proprietary services go in the future and what they really demand later on.

Lumina Desktop is the only DE that doesn't require a bunch of redhat bs to use.   Sad but true, although it is ironic given that its bsd licensed.

You would think GPL licensed software would have more freedom from redhat, but far from it!

I don't think escaping github will be easy. Especially with redhat bs masquerading as free software on github along with linux and even some free projects.  Libre stuff even! So yeah, this will be a hard fight.

That being said, microsoft and google are both bad although I almost think redhat is doing more damage to the gnu/linux ecosystem by making libre licensed freedom restricting backwards compatibility breaking software. So much irony there...

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You shouldn't forget about Canonical as they do the same on another level: Most people even answer the question "Do you know Linux?" with "Ubuntu" these days. So there is the masquerade coming up with free as in freedom, same with democracy when used on that base. Both have very much in common as it used as some kind of "game" and that's the problem: The values are forgotten more and more.

Don't get me wrong: Free as in freedom is one high value as it is recognized for freedom in general with combination in ethical choices. Same with democracy, but with real meaning and with respect for every living individual, with empathy. I don't think Red Hat or / and Canonical do what they do because of some "evil masterplan". They just do it because of profit and most people handle the same with ignorance and arrogance, because they don't care or think others will look after that. Well, the damage is done until now: Desktop-environments like IceWM, JWM or Fluxbox can look very nice, but with no further dependencies on systemd or other bloatware. No dbus, no pulseaudio.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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throgh wrote:

You shouldn't forget about Canonical as they do the same on another level: Most people even answer the question "Do you know Linux?" with "Ubuntu" these days. So there is the masquerade coming up with free as in freedom, same with democracy when used on that base. Both have very much in common as it used as some kind of "game" and that's the problem: The values are forgotten more and more.

Don't get me wrong: Free as in freedom is one high value as it is recognized for freedom in general with combination in ethical choices. Same with democracy, but with real meaning and with respect for every living individual, with empathy. I don't think Red Hat or / and Canonical do what they do because of some "evil masterplan". They just do it because of profit and most people handle the same with ignorance and arrogance, because they don't care or think others will look after that. Well, the damage is done until now: Desktop-environments like IceWM, JWM or Fluxbox can look very nice, but with no further dependencies on systemd or other bloatware. No dbus, no pulseaudio.

Hard to say, but I think they are trying to take over GNU and Linux completely.  But that being said, if that's not the case, then they doing more damage purely by their own stupidity/greed. 

Google and microsoft on the other hand...

Yeah... they do it on purpose.

Canonical is like microsoft in gnu/linux land.  So... I dunno.

Redhat I still dislike many times more though. You can escape ubuntu, but not redhat when it comes to their bs services such as systemd, dbus, and pulseaudio.

Although, rust and java are also problems. hmm

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The projects coming up from people being working at "Red Hat" have different layers: I see the major problem within the adaption of major distributions itself and getting lost of choices in that process. So this adaption is the responsibility of the whole community, because many people just accepted that for more kind of convenience.

Removing the dependencies from dbus, systemd, pulseaudio and avahi is reducing already the selection of desktop-environments. Even elogind is depending on major upstream "logind" in some cases. Yeah this project is splitting up from it, but when it comes towards Gnome and KDE there has to be look after "logind". While consolekit is also lost in the process. Well, "Red Hat" is the one offering questionable projects, but the community and many projects take and took them without further questioning - besides some discussions of course. Being critical towards that means in these days being named as "systemd-hater". And when you say, that you have no personal problem with "systemd" but just don't want to use it and keep your system small, this will be also ignored. So I see a complete problem at the major level within. sad

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Staying at Linux means also staying at an unclear situation for so-called "gifts" from companies like Facebook. You know about Zstandard? Well, therefore a look onto this one as Zstd-compressed Linux Kernel Images look very close to mainline. What's the problem about this? Being dependent on a library created by Facebook, which is in fact nothing like a "gift" or better a very questionable one. Same with most other projects coming up on that region of companies!

There is only one ethical choice: To remove that and this won't be done.
And just to install the libre kernel into some distribution doesn't make this better. In fact this is another compromise to accept that there are always freedom flaws, done from ignorance, arrogance and convenience. You name it "libre distribution", but there is Rust. You name it free for the users freedom, privacy and security, but there are Java and Mono, full with questionable licensing. You name it "without problems", but there is NodeJS. There are so many problems just within those languages and afterwards there is coming Skype, Discord and Steam!

So question yourself: What's needed on your "GNU/Linux"-installation? And do you remember why you installed GNU/Linux, any kind of distribution one day? And what's about it today? Free as in freedom, but just only for our own "ego", our own individualism? No need to share anything else and others can "do the work"? How can free culture survive under that circumstances? And the companies don't share this thought, they don't want to destroy that intentionally, but they do for real and taking their "gifts", their marketing, is the way to destroy "free culture". Ask yourself where your trust is? Into the community? Or again into some company? Well, an open-sourced framework or / and library, but doing marketing-work just for proprietary services as Facebook opened up nothing so everyone can host this on own hardware. wink
What kind of "freedom" is this? A corporate one? Trusting into those libraries creates more dependencies and afterwards what? Using those applications, libraries and more with freedom-oriented systems? Sounds like a strange way forward besides "trust" is not rightful when looking onto the actions of companies like Facebok and others. While some are critical towards systemd and other projects, this is also needed here.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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The GPL and BSD-license, seems a neverending problem of two perspectives and indeed two sides of the same coin. But let's have a look onto the details: So what's the problem of BSD with the GPL? The major point is the definition of being "restrictive", meaning in short: You modify something? Please give back your modifications. The perspective of BSD: You modify something? Fine, your decision how to deal with it but please keep my name and copyright being working and into the corresponding data / files.

Where is the problem? Out of modifications on BSD there are corporate secrets made. So when talking about "gaming" for example: The Playstation-series is using a modified version of FreeBSD as operating system. You'll ask: What, but where are those modifications given back so everyone can use them? See the difference? And it's not about BSD being the bad here, it's just the systematic failure as capitalism and corresponding ignorance, arrogance are the major problem. To "share" means just more, but corporations and companies don't think in ethics, just in "money" and "profit". Loosing this can be compared to the "end of the world". But at Linux (without GNU) same mindset is coming up from another region as the GPL itself doesn't reflect one major freedom: The fifth one as not using one component and being free of it. Sounds strange? Well, yes: The existing four freedoms as use, study, share and improve. But where is the one with insights for consequences?

Consequences like systemd, dbus, pulseaudio and avahi being just major parts for most software and distributions these days on Linux (without GNU)? And not keeping the point here, going back onto BSD: Thinking about there are no "free hugs" just ignores the ethical and social problems coming up with egoism being mixed up as individualism. You can be individual, you can be free and nevertheless you can share your knowledge without any risk of loosing something. Well, okay: The last one is the pure theory as reality shows just another picture full with harassments, envy and more darkest reactions and feelings searching for power.

All in all: This point is the most complex one. Where is the social discussion, the share of knowledge? In fact nobody should have any kind of power except for the own position itself. This would an ideal, but as written down before: The reality is a hard one. Both licenses have their positive aspects, but both have their problems and the upcoming times getting even harder to fight for freedom without any kind of companies or corporations. Because their so-called "gifts" are nothing more than toxic ones in the end. I don't want to have the ultimate point here, but we should stop being kept into hateful reflections and projections, more thinking about how to create an accessible information-technology for every being.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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And besides that there is the question WHY: Why has the freedom-oriented community for soft- and hardware so little trust into own projects that they are oriented towards the proprietary services like YouTube, Instagram and Twitter? Where are those getting into MediaGoblin, Pixelfed and GNUSocial / Mastodon / Pleroma? Yes, there are some. But interface-implementations like Invidious, Nitter and Bibliogram are just shortened helper: They need in fact their proprietary counterparts for being fully functional.

Yes, it is an individual decision being into those proprietary services. But there is enough time for looking onto the results: So what happened towards GNU/Linux and BSD? Exactly that: Nothing more than corporate gifts coming up and some nice marketing-gags like "We love open-source!". Nothing more, nothing less. So choose wisely on what to do next, choose for rational arguments for freedom, privacy and security for everyone. No company will do this for us!

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Today another posting with a far more widening perspective - including the technical aspects later on: So what is a correct fitting and believable criticism towards capitalism? There are different possibilities but from my experience and knowledge just only a few being really without intolerance, harassment, dogwhistle politics and schemes full with structural antisemitism and literal hatred. Simple as that: Start with yourself. We are all into this and we cannot make ourselves free from any kind of responsibility. With little steps you can start analyzing your own consume, your own issues and be aware of: You will run into mistakes! Meaning also don't think at anytime that you have fully understand all social and political aspects coming up.

You want an example? Here take this: Do you think of corporations and companies doing something just intentional for being "evil from the roots"? Think again: There are human beings into this and everyone has own goals to reach. The result maybe of course very problematic, but this is not done intentional. Same with ideologies running around these days thinking of political actors doing something out of "evil" or being "evil". Well, no - okay not in the first place? Most time we as human beings do something out of different actions and reactions. Sometimes of course intentional, but having any "great plans" behind something, some "evil groups" getting into politics is just the first failure of many to follow afterwards as this is a dark road with darkest outcomes later on. What do you think can extend out of this? The mob running around with fire and weapons on the streets for searching some individuals or groups being "responsible" for whatever. Another simple but very fitting viewpoint: Just have a look onto human history itself, just look onto the ways disturbing opinions get holding the global society and just get a step back looking onto yourself. There you have the first and only being responsible. Yes there are many things coming out out of capitalism being harmful, being not fair and literally the other way around for living in peace and harmony. But getting "peace" with hatred doesn't sound like a rational concept. Getting people to know and discuss about alternatives, about free soft- and hardware for example is not done throughout carrying the water bucket behind them into proprietary services or communicating throughout these. And nevertheless Microsoft is nothing about an "enemy" or the "greater / lesser evil". Just another company as so many others. Well, okay: I don't like Microsoft and I don't like what they do. Do I "hate" the company? No, I don't and I won't write something like this down. And I won't search for intentional deeds for Microsoft literally destroying "free software" as greater plan. The outcome can be this, yes. But ask yourself: Who is responsible? The one offering some semi-free or proprietary services, firmware-blobs, frameworks, drivers and projects? Or the one using this because of convenience? Just look onto Phoronix for example and the comment section under some articles for GNU/Linux-libre. There you have the major issue as many individuals being just into this ignorance (no, not Phoronix itself in the first place and of course not all users and individuals behind comments, as this is what they all are - also at Microsoft: INDIVIDUALS), Making a difference for being believable and remember not to follow shortened phrases and descriptions, they can be harmful enough, ending just in real bad consequences. And that's about it: The consequences, not just for you, not just for me, for everyone. it is all about arrogance and ignorance: If you just see yourself and to follow some ideology making only others responsible you should think again. Even though many harmful things started as "good intention" back than, and afterwards? Be aware of that even behind the callout for "peace" there can be even more. Peace for which people and beings exactly? For everyone? Okay. Not for everyone? Not okay, definitely not okay.

And I know: This is all far more complex when looking at the blue planet in a whole. But just start with yourself and question your own actions as first step. Look behind the phrases, search for wordings and phrases as they define our reality. Hateful speech, harassment - therefore I name most platforms anti-social - has also consequences we can literally see for now. Stop that for yourself, criticize companies, groups and individuals? No problem. But with reasonable arguments and even though it is reasonable that somebody just don't want to use something. Systemd is too big and too complex for handling own modifications? Okay. No personal insult given, rational of course for own individual ways. And besides that: You can also look for projects like Hyperbola getting more input for the community here, so everyone else reading here has also information shared doing for example PKGBUILD-scripts. A perfect situation and no need for some faulty projections coming up from anywhere. smile
There is the best way to discuss and challenge ideas being worth as they are inclusive.

But let's get deeper into capitalism and WHY exactly this cannot be part of a free culture (from my point of view): From structural thinking and theories ahead capitalism is not able as "system" to react towards progressive and inclusive changes, so talking about "free soft- and hardware" we can see many examples for this out there. Just the company "Purism" is a very good example: Yes, there are some progressive thoughts but in the end it is just more about some marketing-picture itself "Purism" is up to, not about real progression, not about real inclusion and exactly not about criticism. Even though if one company is willing to do - remember the individuals as every human being counts - in the end just numbers and financials are the real deal up to. Same with Microsoft: Loving "open-source"? Okay, but when it comes to financials the best ones, the best arguments are driven out when money comes into and investment is needed. Same also with "Red Hat": Best intentions, but it's all about numbers, not about ethics. Therefore we should have organizations being critical towards this, having questions and also have a look onto declarations. A kernel full with proprietary firmware-blobs? Well, okay FSF-certified distributions don't have this, but there is much work to do and this won't be easier in the near future. Is the community prepared for this? Is the community clear looking behind problematic services? Or is it more about shortened phrases coming up from FSF or FSFE? Capitalism as systematic approach doesn't understand a "free culture", sharing information and knowledge without any other purpose to get something back. But that's even not the whole truth as free culture gets back many things as society itself can tryout for progress, being progressive and reflective in the same ways, not getting back into darkest ways and reactions (all to read in human history and events). I have doubts that the communities (plural here noted) are prepared and the ever ongoing discussions about restrictions won't help as egoism is nothing helping here. Restrictions needed to give modifications back, not making some fork out of it and share exactly nothing (there is the BSD-problematic mentioned). I have doubts and I have hopes, of course there are thoughts not finalized into here, of course I have not everything right taken as fact mixing up wishes and perspectives. But this is also an important point at the end: The situation is complex as society itself is, so we can go only through this as society and community, not alone. wink And after all we have also to look onto democracy itself as highest value for political and social participation, inclusion and not exclusion. As "freedom of speech" is not becoming a danger of itself: It has its boundaries, to respect others and not to try harassing them, to exclude beings for whatever reasoning - which is fact is inhuman. Exclusion for anti-democratic reasoning? Yeah, possible but better to give reasoning why something is reasonable inhuman and against living in peace. And please: Stop trying to give reasoning that nationalism or harassment of minorities in any form is reasonable or same opinion as any other democratic viewpoint! This is wrong, terrible wrong and harassing others is part of egoism, which itself is part of capitalism. Only very hateful projections as in the end: You win because others lost something. That's the price I've mentioned in the beginning, so our consume has consequences and we have to reflect about that as this is an individual responsibility. It is about suffering and illusions working, as suffering is the way taken for many beings on earth without ever having any kind of choice for them and illusions is the named part of ignorance and arrogance thinking that capitalism is the only choice we have to live in peace and liberty. Ask yourself: How big is the price we have to pay now and how big could this become for others to come after us? For later generations growing into hateful society, literally mountains of waste for older devices no one longer seems to want / need and a system where it tends back to where someone is born into, because knowledge is "restricted" behind paywalls. Is this a peaceful future for humans, for beings on earth? Doubt it!

GNU/Linux had the chance of changing as many older devices were supported. But nowadays that's even lost more and more: What's next? Well just "progression", but that's for a price throwing old out and getting more newest hardware and software - without any kind of questioning. You name it: systemd and others were created with this in mind. NVidia has never opened their drivers, AMD does the same and just getting the illusion of having some kind of opened framework around doesn't make this better. Firmware-blobs needed having 3D acceleration, that's it. Wifi, bluetooth and many more only works for proprietary reasoning. And now just more people cry out for throwing 32bit out of the kernel: More and more distributions getting behind that. Arch Linux? Ubuntu? You name it. Is GNU/Linux the place to be when looking onto all of this? Better to freeze the situation now and Hyperbola is one further chance we have.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Just a heads up, FreeBSD has a lot of antifeatures like linux, but OpenBSD and NetBSD, are alot better, though still flawed. Particularly NetBSD.

Yes, Hyperbola is our best hope right now. smile

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zapper wrote:

Just a heads up, FreeBSD has a lot of antifeatures like linux, but OpenBSD and NetBSD, are alot better, though still flawed. Particularly NetBSD.

Yes, Hyperbola is our best hope right now. smile

Sorry for the time without any further reaction: Thanks for the feedback, zapper.
The problem what I see is that people tend to just look for "progression" instead having hardware living as long and free even possible. GNU/Linux would have the possiblity for this but also here we have some strange acceptance towards very problematic projects including more and more proprietary interfaces or being such big and monolithic and without any further alternative at the same time. The default kernel is full with freedom flaws and distributions have just a pragmatic approach - even most BSD. So Hyperbola stays straight ahead, being not pragmatic besides some others like Dragora. big_smile

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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So after trying out Mastodon for the last four months: I don't think those so-called networks or platforms will never bring out more than some further way to literally flirt with the digital self-image. And this "self-image" is something to play around for many people these days as you can be whatever you want. Furthermore besides this social component there is also the technical part as web-applications getting even more complicated and instead being simple but effective many of them need a growing list of dependencies. So where is the advantage? There are many people being engaged with the search for a better tomorrow, but there is even a bigger group of participants with no further interest as just in their own perspective and sharing lies. So why trying to install those projects on any kind of webserver and trying to build an own space?

That's the point to call Mastodon, Diaspora and others just anti-social: No discussion, no action, nothing more than the majority being indifferent to human contempt and hatred. That's inacceptable from my point of view. Is there really any kind of difference? Technical speaking: Yes, there is as the mentioned projects use decentralization instead being only some kind of offering from companies selling data. But in fact from the social perspective there is no difference. It is all the same anti-social and institutionalized echo chambers. roll
Don't get me wrong: There are very cool and friendly people, but most of the time especially those people are not heard within discussions as it is just about simplified and shortened argumentation. Facts don't matter as they even should in the concurrent situation we are all into, speaking about the pandemic but also the world itself and our future. This was one last time for me to tryout those so-called "social platforms" - never did this for the proprietary and centralized counterparts.

As result: They are not needed and in my point of view they've done so much damage to our global society, I think the cool, friendly people could be better engaged elsewhere where their engagement and their actions are valued, their arguments are heard. smile

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Being believable as always means staying true towards own values and principles. Not many projects these days being marked as "free and open" following those ways and taking sponsoring from questionable sources. Newest one to mention OBS Studio, mentioning here: https://obsproject.com/blog/youtube-bec … bs-project

But they are not alone: Blender? Or Tor? Well supporting proprietary services and infrastructure means also staying far more away from emancipation of users. And that's the same where organizations failed, just to name one with the FSFE. sad
You want responsible people for the concurrent, complex situation? Well look into the mirror and stop supporting projects against user freedom. It is your individual decision.

But it is the same to believe not having any kind of responsibility with purchasing something. The situation is not quite simple and very complex, just looking at the concurrent state of the hard- and software relationship especially. But staying true for values and principles, having questions about the status ... better do it now instead to discover more unfriendly in the near future.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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You want to know what's wrong with the concurrent state of free software? Well, again: Take a look into the mirror. Organizations like the FSF and the FSFE failed to recognize the problematic situation. Supporting with infrastructure coming up from Google and many more. In fact those companies are the state of ignorance: Getting control about something which is quite out of control from the very beginning. Or can anybody get just a short quick insight into all the material uploaded just in one minute on all those platforms? That's impossible as somebody did turn them on and left the room without the chance of return.

In short: There is no such thing to call "surveillance capitalism": This is a buzzword. There is only the capitalism and our own failure to stop this because we want to consume instead being oriented towards empathy and solidarity at all. Those buzzwords don't help as capitalism will always take advantage about everything and it is our own responsibility to accept or reject something to described just with marketing and nothing more. False promises of security for example, to stay in contact with the whole world. Everything sounds nice, but it has all some kind of price to pay. So ask about that and don't use shortened descriptions: Not only organizations failed to recognize it. Also projects and foundations. To name some: Mozilla? Or what about Gnome? Or to mention the Software Freedom Conservancy? They don't recognize the problems, the big ones and the smaller ones like sytemd and more on the rise. sad

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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If you hear somebody talking about another buzzword called "Big Data", better take the chance and turn away. The reasoning is simple: Collecting so much data or better information cannot result in anything good. And I'm not talking about scientific data collected for research. I'm talking about the pure approach of the false promise from companies, groups and individuals towards the monetary view. There is no such thing like anonymous "Big Data". But this goes also deeper as the question is not only about this buzzword and even more about the global network itself: Has the modern "Internet" brought up anything good or better? There are so much places for getting clear information and instead using this toolset people just look onto simplified lies and fake promises. The problem seems to be within the modern individual itself: Nice pictures, more egocentric views. Nothing about empathy, about solidarity. And even more worse: Following some individuals as they made up being some kind of unquestionable. Do you really think they are unquestionable? I think the opposite and I deny following some names or people just because they had done something. Yes, it is about ideology and everyone has it, either accepting or rejecting.

Build your ideology about facts, about humanism, about empathy and solidarity. Not about some names as even tomorrow you can find out that a selected role model did right more questionable. It is the right of beings to make mistakes, but their duty to learn from them too! So learning is a task for lifetime, better we keep this mind and try being believable instead questionable. And if some group,  organization or individual wants you to follow just some names and claims, it is time to turn around!

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Nice article smile
https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/ … ptops.html

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Thanks for sharing! Indeed interesting article to read. smile

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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throgh wrote:

Thanks for sharing! Indeed interesting article to read. smile

+1

"This life is short Eternity is long who want good trees plant good seeds"

"quote" taken from sam garrens an english writer and speaker,
  Were do you think we live!

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throgh wrote:

Thanks for sharing! Indeed interesting article to read. smile

Your signature says it all,  capitalism is destroying people and causing great harm to the world and its resources...

The only thing that can balance capitalism out, is socialism.

The ironic thing though is that many of these capitalists are also big proponents that God exists...

And more ironic still is that they forget about how Jesus overturned the money changers and other corrupt practices....  such as the religious leaders and their many unrepentant sins, three of which are very much within capitalism all the time, pride, wrath and greed.

I know most people here aren't into this stuff so I will just say, I have read the four gospels of Jesus, and he would have been a socialist if he were part of todays world..
Whether you believe he exists or not, that was who he is in that book.

But on topic, new computers made with new processors tend to be crap. 

That might be true for RISC-V as well in later years.  But I would bet in the early days they will make some mistakes that will make them easily liberate-able in the beginning of them coming to laptops...

MNT Reform is currently an interest due to having less vulnerabilities, but Hyperbola probably won't fully support it to my liking for a while...

Aka, having programming languages/toolkits as well as core system.

HyperbolaBSD: The Future of Secure Libre Lightweight Operating Systems!

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Well, calling out for one finalized system is not the best way, from my experiences with discussions about political progress for more empathy and solidarity. We humans need some "story" to believe in and this "story" should also contain a functional way for everybody - sidenote: with the best way not to build more influence and money than everybody else for the future incarnation of this.

So I think we could give more points about the technical side of the "story": The one for every human being to have a good life in peace and harmony, taught also empathy and solidarity, to help each other getting more knowledge. In fact? Being outright believable! We can be ignorant and arrogant, but with knowledge about that we can also learn to live with this and not surpressing it instead just trying to be honest with each other. The approach of socialism could be a part of the "story" to reach out for a peaceful society, but there is so much needed that we can only work out point by point and it'll be more than a lifetime. But working on this to get everybody emancipated in technology, or just trying. The more people recognize that soft- and hardware is part of the problem for now, the more others come up trying to echo some wordings, just lip service and nothing more. Being able to get away from this, being strict in principles and clear in values.

In the end: Free hard- and software is some kind of a "fight", done with clear arguments. To get the load on more shoulders distributed instead having just one or two major names for creating components! Sharing is caring, not just an empty phrase as this is the base to learn more and going deeper into complex surroundings. Step by step!

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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throgh wrote:

Well, calling out for one finalized system is not the best way, from my experiences with discussions about political progress for more empathy and solidarity. We humans need some "story" to believe in and this "story" should also contain a functional way for everybody - sidenote: with the best way not to build more influence and money than everybody else for the future incarnation of this.

So I think we could give more points about the technical side of the "story": The one for every human being to have a good life in peace and harmony, taught also empathy and solidarity, to help each other getting more knowledge. In fact? Being outright believable! We can be ignorant and arrogant, but with knowledge about that we can also learn to live with this and not surpressing it instead just trying to be honest with each other. The approach of socialism could be a part of the "story" to reach out for a peaceful society, but there is so much needed that we can only work out point by point and it'll be more than a lifetime. But working on this to get everybody emancipated in technology, or just trying. The more people recognize that soft- and hardware is part of the problem for now, the more others come up trying to echo some wordings, just lip service and nothing more. Being able to get away from this, being strict in principles and clear in values.

In the end: Free hard- and software is some kind of a "fight", done with clear arguments. To get the load on more shoulders distributed instead having just one or two major names for creating components! Sharing is caring, not just an empty phrase as this is the base to learn more and going deeper into complex surroundings. Step by step!

Life is complex, but yeah, we need more hardware with actual freedom in it. Software I think should also be more free, but let's be honest, hardware is a much bigger problem due to the blobs required to run some hardware... hmm

hardware should always be optionally free at the very minimum, why anyone would want to breach such ideals is beyond me... especially when money doesn't make you immortal and eventually we all end up dead anyways. At least in the one sense as far as I am concerned...

Thus, greed is a pointless endeavor that we humans need to overcome... same with pride, and wrath and any other bad things we humans do to become more powerful in life...

my two cents...

HyperbolaBSD: The Future of Secure Libre Lightweight Operating Systems!

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zapper wrote:

Life is complex, but yeah, we need more hardware with actual freedom in it. Software I think should also be more free, but let's be honest, hardware is a much bigger problem due to the blobs required to run some hardware... hmm

hardware should always be optionally free at the very minimum, why anyone would want to breach such ideals is beyond me... especially when money doesn't make you immortal and eventually we all end up dead anyways. At least in the one sense as far as I am concerned...

Thus, greed is a pointless endeavor that we humans need to overcome... same with pride, and wrath and any other bad things we humans do to become more powerful in life...

my two cents...

To overcome feelings and reactions like hatred, pride, greed and many more means also to reflect them and keeping in mind that everyone is able to get into the darkest part of human mind as they all are part of us, all time. So being in respect for myself, as I have respect for all other earthlings. smile
Having humility is a good point for this as it is not learned within our society these days.

I think both parts of computing have to be free from the start up: Hardware is even more critical, as you've already said. But there are also enough points where false compromises are done in software - just having a look onto you, Gnome.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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many times i think about adding something to this tread so now that i found a nice article someone shared with me i think it would be verry good to be add here https://freakspot.net/en/no-cellphones/
i hope you enjoy reading it smile

"This life is short Eternity is long who want good trees plant good seeds"

"quote" taken from sam garrens an english writer and speaker,
  Were do you think we live!

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Thank you, rached. smile
I'll read the article and come back onto this today.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!