1 Topic by Mesh Malachi

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Topic: OpenJDK Branding

https://www.hyperbola.info/todo/java-removal/

I read the page about Java removal, and I don't understand some of the reasoning.

It says that modified versions of OpenJDK cannot use OpenJDK branding. How does that infringe on freedom?

2 Reply by throgh

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Re: OpenJDK Branding

You have to remove the branding and get the approval otherwise the package is violating the license OpenJDK is using. Please read here more: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id … _downfalls

It is a comparable problem towards Rust: Where is the freedom when you have to ask for permission and get an approval for every step you are doing? There is none. Even if it is stating that you "only have to remove the branding": Those projects are not providing free and libre software. They have their own problems as you can be sure that they will rework their licensing more into the known direction besides "removal of branding" and "getting approval" is just the next step before "you are not allowed to provide any modified version".

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Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Re: OpenJDK Branding

throgh wrote:

You have to remove the branding and get the approval otherwise the package is violating the license OpenJDK is using. Please read here more: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id … _downfalls

It is a comparable problem towards Rust: Where is the freedom when you have to ask for permission and get an approval for every step you are doing? There is none. Even if it is stating that you "only have to remove the branding": Those projects are not providing free and libre software. They have their own problems as you can be sure that they will rework their licensing more into the known direction besides "removal of branding" and "getting approval" is just the next step before "you are not allowed to provide any modified version".

To add another bit of info, java is also massively insecure and Hyperbola will try to resist packages that are insecure, especially on this huge level.

As an aside, we have a better chance of Rust being liberated then Java and actually, we have a better chance of a completely open sourrce windows  being created by Microsoft to some extent than Java being changed to actually have security and not be bloated.

That being said,  I know you know this, Throgh, but just thought I would mention this  in case OP isn't aware.

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