Hello bemc, we do not see any further outcome with distrowatch. As of now this website has a very questionable way to present "open-source" as "free software" without clearly verification of ideals. So we do not see any need to approve our steps to those sources and represent them to others. This may sound arrogant in the first place, so let me explain more into detail: If we need to carry information towards people, the question stays what their approach is or should be. We cannot carry every single water-bucket behind as people will not come out of their so-called "comfort-zone" and question their own "status quo". If we just underline the news-cycle we cannot change also our backend. It is just showing activity we have, but what we have experienced until now is that majority of people is just "consuming" this kind of information without any further activity. It is like: "Oh, the chat is silent? So the project is not doing anything." Or the other way: "Oh, no activity in the forums or news? Project is not doing much."

That is the wrong approach as this reduces all kind of information of something needs to happen in the "web" or integrated services, than the conclusion is that "something" is happening. When we talk about community-building, creativity and more, this reduces foremost everything towards "someone is doing something for us and we just watch". I'm interested in your perspective on this as our experience until today is exactly that: We tried many ways to inform, keep updated and everytime again we either earned only some recognition without further contribution, people complaining and demanding more or in the last outcome being ignored and laughed at as "too radicale".

What we therefore want to do is: More reduction

In the mid and long term we will reduce Hyperbolas website and included parts so:

1. The wiki will be no longer using PHP and become static
2. The issue-tracker will be no longer using PHP and become quite more simplified
3. The forum will closed down, no longer using PHP and become a commentary-section

Hyperbola as project can persist with people willing to contribute instead of debating why packages are removed or not more packages are included, on-going question the decisions for community-oriented software or even claim that we exclude companies (yes, this is a real argument we have heard). Free software is free as in freedom for the people, but only if people come to activity for their own conclusion. This can be done on several levels: Documentation, code-approval, testing in general, support with packaging, approval with building and more. Sure also financial is helping. In the end this is the point where we are at that what I have written earlier: Nowadays many seem just to be okay hearing that "something is happening". That is not even their own fault as our attention-oriented consume has brought us to the points where even hobbies being in need to bring fast and perfect results of representing something for others to consume. So to conclude this: Is a personal hobby really that? For example when someone is modelling something, building a diorama (as a model) of something or different things: Do we need to consume the build-process and be good with that alike we have done it also? In fact we have just consumed a video, a story where someone is showing us something, without ever having a chance that the watching persons can do it also, learn from it. It is just "entertainment" and when it gets boring, well? Next one.

To underline: We are not responsible for the people's perception of Hyperbola. Fairness is the point we are on, if this is already excluded and we talk here about simple "marketing" then sorry but this thread has already left its meaning. We do not make "marketing" as perception. If people do not want to come after their own freedom, value their own data and also concluded with their security and privacy resulting then also in the same for others out of solidarity, then this is clearly not our point of perspective. The perception of Hyperbola as operating-system is the perception of it being here, not out there where unknown numbers of people tell whatever kind of stories. Because that's part of this criticism: Storytelling is not ours, we conclude here our approach towards free software as idealistic perspective. The "perception" results therefore in complete different perspectives as this outgoing is already a lost place, same as free software has already lost with people not doing something likewise named before.

Hello throgh, librecat,
many thanks for you replies. There is a lot of interesting information above.

I'm interested in your perspective on this as our experience until today is exactly that: We tried many ways to inform, keep updated and everytime again we either earned only some recognition without further contribution

I am not sure I transmitted it correctly, my concern is not about catching more supporters, but instead ensuring we do not loose the current ones. I think you are absolutely right about people these days just consuming news like a daily entertainment. But in between the majority, some are just checking if the support is doing something. Took me a while to decide writing about that, I know this could be a tricky topic. From the supporter side, after years donating to a project, it is a huge catastrophe to see a project fall. Really, that day you wanna cry, stop any further support to anything. From the supported side, one spend personal time/resources for a mission one feels important with eventually limited feedback, if any.
In my particular case, I highlight 2 points why I still support Hyperbola. One is the mission of the project and the other one is that I can see how you all pursue your goals with determination, being tough and resilient. However, I fear that not everyone understands this.

Practically, I agree about reducing verbosity in Hyperbola website. Cgit is fine. I suggest a 'less technical' option, but probably for a few updates per month static content is sufficient.

Librecat. Thanks for the exiting info, I know this transition time until HyperbolaBSD is kind of journey through desert.