No arguments from me, I dislike gnome3 anyways.

It is massively and completely bloated. Mate is better for people who want something gnomish anyhow.

Yes indeed... I use draco currently, although it needs some modifications before it will work completely on 0.4.

Waiting to upgrade to 0.4 aka.

Yep, but as I said, it still needs to have a non-dbus change made before it can be used in 0.4.

Aka, removing dbus as a requirement and implementing a way to shutdown, restart, suspend without dbus.

Other than that, it is golden already.  and the dev is extremely kind, but obviously don't take advantage of him.  I want to see draco be usable without dbus. 

PS, if you want to build from source in 0.3, use the slackware build method on that github page.   It works in Hyperbola too!

I asked rodlie to make a nondbus option for powerkit & draco desktop. He said he was willing from what I could see.

Bad news as I've found another point for being critical against Gnome. Reading a news-posting from the German portal "Pro-Linux" here: https://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/27625/f … ungen.html

I'll try to translate the major issues:

• It is about the news release of Flatpak, which introduces "pay what you want" for selected application-images.

• The GNOME-Foundation stands behind this upcomding payment-service, even though it is not only "pay what you want" and planned also for exclusive application-releases within the near future.

• Based on the thoughts of some Gnome-developers Flatpak should be recognized as "packaging-system of the future".

Perhaps some of the points are known? I'm just annoyed about this next tryout bringing the principles of "free software" to an absurdity at all as there is no free fork of Flatpak existing and this packaging-system is developing the same as the Android-platform. What comes up next? Installation of "applications from unkown source" forbidden? And what about the ideas coming up directly from some developers of the Gnome-project? A bloated desktop-environment and questionable points named already here.

I think it is not helpful to be mean as they do what they do because they think it is the correct way - and they don't harm anyone at all while it is a matter of arrogance and ignoranc including such things and processes with flatpak mentioned above in the points. Yes, software-freedom is damaged in the long run, but there are already others: The failure of accepting systemd as "default" - even from the FSF? The failure of getting involved on coporate management and the toxic waste of capitalism? It's a complete system failure doing this and it seems to me better telling them that this is just the opposite because it is changing the project itself in a whole! It is more work in future to get Gnome "libre" and free from proprietary services. A very sad decision but that's what I've written earlier and it encourages me when updating Hyperbola on the one system left with version 0.2 where I've tried Gnome. It's a pity!

I know what the message is but I think telling "suck it" is not very kind and better to criticize the roadmap itself instead. So after all I think Hyperbola has no further room for Gnome in the repositories. Could be wrong, but the project needs much work when another actual version should be integrated. Time which could better used for other packages. I think of creating an issue about this, listing all the non-libre acitivities mentioned here. Of course this is at last a decision of the community and developer-team behind, so it's open for thoughts.

That's one of the best points and very important at all because bloated desktop-environments full with dependencies takes away freedom in the last run. I'm writing this from an installation of Hyperbola 0.2 with KDE Plasma: Running good, but after all it is all the same with Gnome besides that KDE has decided otherwise until now. I'll keep it that way for now - option to migrate in the near future to 0.3 with dwm or draco (what kind of cool desktop-environment, again a BIG THANK YOU you've brought that up here! But Gnome took really just too many sideways in the name of becoming more "open-source" and pragmatic, less freedom orientation and towards principles.

So far my list would be:

• Bloated with questionable dependencies (including mandatory systemd)

• Using proprietary services as high risk for freedom and privacy for users

• Coming up with questionable and vague principles, against software-freedom in a whole