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Besides to mention also that Linux and companies (especially) around are on the opposite track: You remember the Unity-announcement? This here: https://blog.unity.com/news/plan-pricin … ng-updates

You may ask: Wait, what does a non-free gaming-framework has to do with this section and thread. Answered: More than first to think about as also many implementations around Linux gaming use this non-free framework. Yes, you may also say: Okay, non-free and all said. Yes, but that's not the common way people look on Linux and free, libre software. They most only see it as gratis and free, that's it. So throughout the announcement there is also this word around named "telemetry" and Unity had it long before implemented. And people within gaming (also on Linux) used the games done with it. So they are all using and accepting telemetry saved and transferred for "their good" - as always. We can all now see for what purpose this is made. There is no real reasoning for any telemetry - take that Fedora (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry). There is no privacy-preserving telemetry as it is an illusion, same way as computers are "normalized" around. What needs to happen before people see the wrong path going? Linux (and I have left GNU out for a reason) is going the wrong paths long enough. And GNU does not recognize this, even accepting this same as thinking the Linux-kernel will stay as it is.

No the Linux-kernel won't stay that way and will embrace more and more Rust-components as also non-free drivers in the next months and years. And how to clean up this mess? With a script to call it later on GNU/Linux-libre? Thing again as Unity is only one symptom for a wider problem. But hey: Ubuntu, Fedora and many more ... driven by companies behind ... all good? No for sure not: Canonical has their own thing about snap and lxd taking away from the community, Red Hat and their ideas for "open source", many more examples. This ignorance is going around. No, this is in my perspective NOT "evil", but the outcome is bad. And to think to get this all again in the "right direction" is the same: An illusion. Time to leave that behind.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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We make democratic participation possible when we look for technical emancipation, giving all people the possibility to secure their data and have their beloved files likewise where they want them, most near local. When we only use buzzwords like "open-source" or "open-minded" we conclude only in competition. But competition is NOT the way to go, co-working and participation is forward. And inclusion of more and more questionable interfaces from more than only questionable parties is also NOT the way to go. Is Rust really a way forward? Social-speaking, not technical only. If we only look on technical aspects, we will loose and miss the generic point of free, libre culture: Change the code, learn from it, share the modifications as wanted and use it for whatever purpose.

But we also need to question: Is it really fine to conclude also the aspect of "you can make money with free, libre software"? We can look already where this has brought us to. We are loosing and have already lost on a wide field. Many projects are no longer going with free, libre culture as Hyperbola had to put also some on hold out of various reasons. The way forward is participation from my point of view, not only inclusion of wide more packages. And if we can collect even older packages and projects, we are winning more. wink But with Linux this is not really longer winning anything as to ask in the ending now: How long until Rust for example is mandatory for building? Ask yourself.

On the one hand the community is criticizing in long texts why Google, Meta (Facebook), Microsoft, Apple, Amazon and many more have too much power and hold on too much projects. On the other hand projects and others let go of this criticism and take over or even integrate questionable, even clear non-free dependencies. So again: Ask yourself, is that a way forward? Yes, zstd, protobuf and many more, but where are the forks? Where is the community taking over and take part, take action of the problems by working outside the common paradigm, creating a new one? I cannot see much on a wide field. And that's the issue, not that Hyperbola is removing packages and reduce dependency-trees. That's only a symptom of the current course taken. We cannot take "toxic presents", even if they are licensed permissive and somewhat free. Somebody asked about the patents? Someone asked further what would happen if for example free, libre games going attractive enough? What would happen? Do you really think the industry and economy states than again "We love open-source!"? Come on, that's a buzzword and illusion. Implementing "DirectX" into mesa for what purpose exactly? Yes, for having better Vulkan-support when running graphical intense programs (games) throughout Wine. No, not even native porting, just that: Wine. So where is the engagement? Exactly, nothing and to await from companies doing that is the wrong way forward. The economy is doing exactly nothing for free, libre soft- / hardware. Zero outcome, only using buzzwords because people work for them without getting anything back - okay, besides some rights. But is the toolset in the hand of the community? Well, again: Ask yourself.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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And coming up next also: Yes, environmental issues are included within engagement. The more "we" as global society focus only on "online" web-installations, -services and -appliances, the more disastrous the outcome. Reasoning: More servers for more data with more energy-consumption. So blocking those called "modern websites" is active protection, not only for data and privacy but also for the environment. I thought a longer time ago that GNU/Linux might help therefore, reviving and holding older systems for longer period of time. But this thoughts are gone with the bitter, sweet recognition that this gone since 2019 around. We can watch now on a daily base more projects arise with more bloated usage on all levels: social, technical and economical. Projects and people choose to adopt only without further questioning. Time to go, time for a change and / or for the first time to hold on.

Yes, Hyperbola is NOT serving always the newest packages. But this is meant intentional and I fear personal, that we won't see more light coming when we don't do something about the consumption of energy. Energy and electricity is coming not only from some sockets, some power outlets. When we do not stop, we have to pay a bitter price for our ignorance. So, sorry to say but from my viewpoint, if people just consume without question - alike Spotify, Netflix and whatever else - they are not helping for the moment to solve the issues. If people tend to buy hardware every year just because they need more graphic-power, same way. We could find solutions, but social issues are not be solved technical alike technical issues are not the solution for everything.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Is it helpful to "trust" companies and corporations? Well, the generic opinion seem more oriented on principles of utilitarianism: If something is for the "greater good", then it is commonly to be accepted. But there is a point missing as freedom to decide individual and freedom to decide in a group should go together. Making such a "compromise" can end also very fast and harsh.

That is exactly what happens: Trusting individuals or some smaller groups is different to trust in "companies" and "corporations". That's not a comparable eye level for any kind of compromise to flatten the decision making. Even when a project from "companies" and "corporations" is licensed free and permissive with a fork being possible: There are patents, there are copyright-holders for different parts of the software-project. Changing the license is therefore complicated. Nevertheless the community of free, libre software is just thinking too pragmatic on the one hand and too single-sided on the other hand: Stating that "someone is doing a fork", is the pragmatic approach. Where is the fork of the Linux-kernel getting GNU/Linux-libre the real and definite touch? Where is the fork for systemd, reducing its complexity and making different components again available without it? Where is the alternative fork for dbus? Where is the implementation for all of this? Exactly: Not existing, just words for an illusion.

And than it comes to the point that people look for every single line of JavaScript stating to be non-free. Yes, non-free JavaScript is not good and absolutely not helpful. How about even NO JavaScript on the other side? Reducing its amount towards even zero will leave many websites completely dysfunctional. Nevertheless people accept JavaScript even as part to be executed on servers, stating it is "free licensed". Come on, really? Security-issues at hands for NodeJS and others around. Interesting that this is from many accepted while other side they immediately go for criticism when non-free JavaScript is in sight. Why not criticizing the whole sphere and systematics? Any problem with that to leave that out and find back to the roots?

Also mentioning that more and more projects include non-free services direct in the sources. Latest examples? supertux and inkscape, but that's okay? Same for circumvention of "YouTube" with yt-dlp. Not watching then on "YouTube" but with some trick around. Sorry, but this logic has an error. wink

The point made: Let's get back to the real grounds and mark what is important. And that is not only some selected themes but the severe damage free, libre culture has taken over the last years. And to be clear: There is no room for companies and corporations within free, libre software. We need to be honest with ourselves: It is just nice marketing when stated to "love open-source", not even talking about the vague and really wrong term "open-source" used. Even when companies like Purism and / or Framework state they want to "invest in free, libre software" they only do this for their own advantage as same like when other companies state to "protect the environment". No they all don't, they just make marketing with an image. They are not anymore trustworthy than any other smaller project. Also to underline: Those projects are even promising  and giving room for everyone to attend and enhance while companies and corporations only take the work done without anything else. So what's left? We need to stop telling illusions.

For Hyperbola free, libre software means to be community-organized, long-term stable oriented and most minimalistic, lightweight. Not to decline possible porting, but for this we need also more engagement and not only demands and illusions.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Does GNU/Linux offer the possibility to have really older systems and devices running? Not really any longer. The (not-official) promise - yes, it was indeed never given that way - is in our days more and more breaking. You want to have an older nvidia-graphicsadapter? Well, if you have some luck you can use nouveau while Nvidia is not offering support and even system-distributions only offer some "legacy" drivers or perhaps nouveau. But with that not enough: You would need also the possible infrastructure and support from the kernel and when this is going missing and removed? Exactly, being stucked on a Linux-kernel while people around always state the "upgrade"-mantra because otherwise you may guilty your computer is misused.

Sorry, that's not working that. Yes, there are surely other possibilities nevertheless around. But there are flaws in the comments done like the mentioned promise: "You have an older or outdated system? Use GNU/Linux." No, please be more accurate and not working as the kernel itself get more and more thrown out drivers. You remember? "Move fast, destroy things." The logic is failed from beginning to the end and GNU/Linux is the same with its approach now.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

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Because linux userspace is divided, for example (systemd vs not systemd)
A lot of linux users are toxic.

Let's stay positive, and connect with others. Hate and division is not the way to go smile. Let's find and make alternatives smile. Let's ditch linux kernel, because it's a poison to human brains smile.

My nickname on libera.chat: fifihyperbola

All the best.

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You can only work together, when people are willing together. And no one said that the Linux-kernel is "poison". It is source-code for now most free and permissive licensed. So there is no poison until people accept that. It all depends on personal decisions as always. So far: There are no forks made, no further work on GNU/Linux-libre besides increasing amount of scripting to remove more and more firmware-blobs and relations with every new version. And no real will to work toger for the moment.

The failures based on:

- Missing political and historical analysis
- Understanding of the roots for the movement based on exactly that analysis
- Some very wide defined form of "software-freedom" which can be also stated as "Be nice to each other"

Exactly the last note is not working as many have a different understanding of "be nice" or "be friendly". That's the major issue.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!