Topic: UXP walking down a narrow path and restricting freedom?
Well, I have tried to get some things sorted out as it seems there was another drama going on these days as the development-team behind browsers like Pale Moon and Basilisk reacted to derivated work - to mention that again as it seems but more about that point later on - and therefore removed also their work onto the UXP-framework. So first things first: Is that what is left about free and libre software? Accusations, hunting for others making mistakes and therefore making the same ones to follow? Well, maybe I don't have the whole picture so I'll share what I've got for now thanks to zapper, Emulatorman and Gaming4JC. Here is the first part of this drama:
The second to follow:
But well? This goes way beyond to read here:
Followed by another reaction throughout just a question:
The question was:
However, UXP itself was unbranded, so I don't understand why the entire UXP was killed off? I presume this means "Platform Codebase" will be released as tarball only and without public version control/git? What does this mean for the future of compliant allied projects?
More to come therefore, sorry for using reddit:
So first people accuses others not having a full source-code-tree and therefore repository. I hope I've got that point, please for sure: Correct it if wrong. And now instead making the best out of it the development-team is doing the same? And the reaction about further questions:
No it waa his secomd violation of the MPL section 3.1(a) and under secrion 5.1 i terminated the grant to use my contributions.
Okay, I remove the repository because I can and I am willing to do as it is my right to do. What's next coming? I have literally millions of questions in my head now: The idea of free software is the right to compile anything at any time and fixing issues with compilation at will and need. But it seems we have another point here: The copyright and the will of individuals to do whatever they want at any time. Thanks for all the fish or what is it about? Literally: Releasing only source-packages at a given time makes patching not only more complicated. It is for packaging purpose absolutely needed otherwise people here being into packaging have not only a harder time: We cannot rely onto those packages any longer. We can fix issues in one place or another, but is it correct? Is it the way the package, application and framework was / is intended to work? Could this have side-effects - an important point in software-development? So I have done the most possible in a short amount of time to get some points sorted out for a start of any kind of discussion. But this won't be for sure the whole picture. What I know for sure: The trust into both browsers is for me now into ruins and gone for good, not meaning the UXP-applications here within Hyperbola. But especially mail-client and browsers are sensible. The "internet" is beyond broken for sure, but do we need even more conflicts? I thought we have enough for real and got a hard time the last years. And for the point mentioned at the beginning of the posting: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86
I can understand many things, also not being related to do support for other projects and derivates. But the picture I've got here now shows even more: A behaviour beyond respectful, beyond helping and for sure making jokes about people using older software. That is not okay in any way!
And reacting to questions in such harsh way also not. That's beyond everything: More drama-making and full with disrespect on so many levels. At best I return to use just the good old C64, no internet-drama and just some of very good games. For sure being sarcastic onto that, but being serious: Drawing lines and clear rules is in general a good one. But this story is for sure not about that. No line is drawn and leaving allied projects like Iceweasel-UXP out of sight was for sure not okay right from the beginning, but now reached just a complete new level. You don't believe me? Well, looking here: http://thereisonlyxul.org/
Where are the projects from Hyperbola? Forgotten? But okay, understood now how browsers are made these days. More or less oriented onto foul standards, not being oriented towards safety and privacy, just illusions. And projects doing the opposite are left out. That would be okay in some way, but now even cutting the projects outside from development? As I've said: Questionable at minimum.
And before somebody is coming up: Yes, the MPL was originally violated. But what's next? Creating therefore questionable and legal issues on your own? Restricting others? In the linked forum-thread there is the tale about changed perspectives: Dear Palemoon-developers, it is not that easy. You have removed the repositories for now and created a graveyard. Want a link? Got it here: https://repo.palemoon.org/mcp-graveyard
I quote the description of this new behind:
Missed opportunities. Dashed hopes. Failed successes and successful failures. It all ends up here. Just like all the missing left socks in the world.
Not only using very questionable memes in the original thread to make bad jokes about others, now using questionable descriptions. As the world rotates only about you, dear developers? The Hyperbola-project was not part about you being hurt, but you do hurt now. Don't get it: Seems you walk for sure down a narrow path and instead looking at the good you punch around for everyone else.
And there was an answer:
If there is a need for detached platform codebases by compliant allied projects, then releases of that will be negotiable in the future when things have settled down a little. The platform code can be released as tarballs too for those who want to use the platform for their projects, not unlike CEF or what not is released. For right now, though, any such request will have to be on hold while we sort out the rest of our forced reorganisation.
Things to settle down in some part of the future? Thanks again. So everyone has to wait until you reorganize because you can and you do for sure. Internet is about the personal ego and we discuss for days and weeks about every personal point, instead to see the individual part within the collective, looking at the collective within the individual we talk about another drama-tale. Detached platform will be needed as you had no further interest before - the link about the removed UXP-projects from Hyperbola is just one proof.
Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!