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Re: Sharing information: About being believable!

Nice article, but I have some annotations: While the author has many valid points the major problem itself is not only the mobile hardware being not completely free. It is also about illusions: Where is the difference to use problematic services on a mobile or any other computing device out there? And there are many with no difference being decentralized or the other way around, proprietary or open. With nothing more to play with any kind of digital self-imagery and the ignorance to discuss both sides, the social and technical parts, there will be no further solution as noted here in the thread. Yes, being believable is being clear towards principles and approach to humanism. The article is therefore more focussed onto the technical part.

Don't get me wrong: Good and valid points. But it is just too easy only to look onto security. There is just more! smile
And speaking about security: You can protect every kind of data on the system, when you share everything about yourself to pretend something on services this won't protect nothing. And there are enough cheap, false promises: The first and best start of a secure approach is to ask what should be shared and what should kept away otherwise. So those mobile devices with telephony capabilities like Pinephone or Librem sounds all interesting, but nothing more and they could always fail with the wrong handling of users, just because of cheap promises and illusions.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

177 (edited by throgh 2021-03-24 19:59:09)

Re: Sharing information: About being believable!

Being believable meaning also being sticked towards principles: As the story of FSF and also FSFE is showing now, both organizations fail within their own principles. Nevertheless having respect towards the GNU-project and the GPL, the mindset behind free soft- and hardware, both organizations fail on multiple levels to recognize social and technical problems these days.

  • The social level means the democratic approach, the respect for everyone being equal and having the rights doing so. Richard Stallman anounced being right back at the FSF board of directors? Okay, was this a transparent process? Or is it more about being political in general? And don't get me wrong: I have respect for the things Richard Stallman had done for the free software movement in general. But this kind is really the wrong way. There are enough problems reported neither the FSF nor the FSFE approached. What's next for the FSFE? Well, reading here more: https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.en.html

  • The technical level is even more frustrating: Where is the right NOT to use some kind of package? Speaking about enforced depdencies of bloatware just right ahead of the corner. All of them are part of many distributions in one way or another: dbus, systemd, avahi and pulseaudio are just some examples. More incoming also the programing languages with problematic licensing, the false claims being "in love with open-source". Well, where are those principles?

Where is this kind of free culture? Where is the support for free culture, for free soft- and hardware? Even though: Projects more and more enforce being built right ahead with the newer hardware. So that's also again the social and the technical level both mixed up: I thought once GNU/Linux is a chance to have some kind changed mindset. A chance for the future gettng away from dependencies, having a freedom of choice, being friendly to each other. Was this wrong? Well, my answer would be therefore: No, but it is getting even more complicated and those organizations like the FSF or the FSFE won't help as they don't recognize the problems right ahead. Getting a GNU/Linux-libre is one thing, an important thing. But another one is the plan about having an independent BSD-kernel with strict principles towards a free, libre mindset: Even more important being believable instead of some claims instead of recognizing the problems and being just into the centric view of the own kind of organization. Projects like Hyperbola and Dragora need support for building alternatives, giving back a freedom of choice for all. And not to mention: You have not recognized the problems with PureOS, FSF. Until now the distribution is listed as being compliant towards the FSDG (https://forums.hyperbola.info/viewtopic … 2534#p2534). Should I go on? Where is the support for the Hurd? Where is the freedom of choice of INIT-systems? Where giving back the emancipation of every user and doing more support for projects like Libreboot or Coreboot? You claim something, FSF? And right away doing something really bad besides giving some recommendations for literally closed hardware like the Librem 5 you're calling back Richard Stallman, who stepped down in 2019? Okay: Strange definitions and you are not able to see the problems with all of this? Freedom of choice? Your choice, okay. And where is the transparency? Oh well, lost in translation, I guess. And I really hope you could recognize the errors within this. Mr. Stallman has done much for freedom within soft- and hardware, but why not doing this further on another level, outside the FSF? Why this move now? And the FSFE? You're playing also in a strange field, just to have look onto the page with the supporters here: https://fsfe.org/donate/thankgnus.en.html

Being independent? Being all into believable? Your decision. But I don't need organizations being not into transparency at all, doing some kind of false claims and compromises. No need to follow some names, more into principles and an open mindset for a colourful, free and libre future! Being honest with you, FSF and FSFE: You have failed at many points within the last years. You have failed to recognize how emancipation in hard- and software is going away, well even within free, libre projects. You have failed to recognize harassment and disgusting meritocratic approaches. And you have failed to recognize growing dependencies from bloatware in general. Just being focussed onto something against closed source you even failed to manage and blame the false claims of "We love open-source!". And there is a high prize to pay for all of this! What now? A big discussion is incoming about the transparency and more people question the FSF itself. Not very helpful for free, libre projects. You have done bad with all of this: Instead giving back emancipation within technologies to the people you are doing more than questionable decisions. But okay: I guess it's more important having some illusions about GNU/Linux (without "libre")? Instead giving support for the Replicant-project there is what alternative? The Librem 5? The Pinephone? Both with desktop-environments being built towards bloatware? And here it goes again: The freedom of choice! And I have not even mentioned people not being that much into technology-stacks or unsure about their own abilities doing more with soft- and hardware. What kind of a mess now and the discussions have not even started so I have to admit in the end: Disappointment from my side for now. Hope all is turning out better, but well? Hyperbola is going on, that's a good point. The bad is the problems right ahead from those decisions mentioned in this posting. Having people just with doubts and prejudices towards free, libre soft- and hardware is not helping. And yes: Those doubts are encouraged from all of this mentioned. Not fair towards projects like Hyperbola and this is part of my disappointment as you have done really bad, FSF.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

178 (edited by throgh 2021-03-25 00:41:02)

Re: Sharing information: About being believable!

Encouring humanism, the approach of solidarity and empathy from within. The individualism within collectivism and the collectivism within individualism. Perhaps I won't have any final answer, but that's to know: The belief having no ideal, no ideology is in fact one kind of ideology and also the first failure of many others to follow behind. Why not working towards freedom of choice including respect for each other? Technology was and will always be political. That's for sure is also about being believable as any kind of technology won't happen just about nothing. To follow some names just because people behind those have done something in the past should lead to what exactly? And what about the failures any human being will make in a lifetime? So the conclusion from my point is better to look at problems and draw some consequences, discuss them open and come together for solutions. It's not very helpful to look at some names, at some individuals and making them even bigger. We can learn from problems, but there is need for being honest about own failures and reflect about them. Stopping harassment, stopping hatred, stopping just pure egocentric perspectives. Encouring some kind of radicale humanism as any being has the same rights. Don't hide behind names, some false claims and stick being believable. Not only now for the global situation we are all in, also for a better future. Yeah, I know: Being some kind of utopia, but as also mentioned again within this thread and its history of postings: Some point to start onwards for being believable, seeing yourself and just this in the first place! Afterwards looking on how you treat others, never forget that they are also here in place and not you alone. Perhaps one day we are able to learn, but not today as today we are busy just searching for greed and power. There is no greater plan, no "evil", just some cheap excuses, it's just the own failures, the smaller ones and the bigger ones.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

179 (edited by throgh 2021-03-30 15:36:21)

Re: Sharing information: About being believable!

Interesting as people have no further problem using Github for their activities and go on supporting Red Hat while they are also into criticizing the FSF. The question is: Do you recognize the differences in general? While the FSF had done bad and the intransparent last action to callout Richard Stallman again is one thing, you also see that free, libre software is in general more and more weakening? Yes, Mr. Stallman has very problematic views, full with ableism for example (besides that I'm also able to see the details between his personal perspective and the work he had done for technical emancipation). That's one thing, but another is to use a proprietary platform and having Red Hat to join the criticism doesn't make this better. Because of all the last actions, the missing actions from the FSF and the false compromises being done (bloatware like systemd, no support for free choice of components and much more) and also the toxic behaviour on general levels (ableism, trans- and homophobic insults, hatred coming up with meritocratic structures) all of this ends up weakening free, libre soft- and hardware as society just no longer approves this as helpful, nevertheless it is of course. All is replaced with just "open-source" as one kind of false description. Being believable? Or more about being into marketing? Afterwards the technical emancipation of people is going down more and more. Not well done in general and more details coming up about this desaster. Thanks for nothing, FSF! Following just some names is already wrong. Look at the details, the rules, the consequences and being transparent is the absolute relevant base for being believable.

In the end it's not alone about one organization as the FSF or the FSFE: We are all failing as this desaster has more to come. Instead looking at the facts - and yes there is hatred and toxic behaviour - and the technical problems, it is just about some names, having some "Status Quo". It could have be done better as Mr. Stallman could have done his work outside the FSF, without any further problems, without making this intransparent. And now what? Now we have projects being clear with principles, but seen as outsiders. The community about free, libre soft- and hardware is attacking itself. That's the major issue: Not hearing the criticism, unwilling to change anything or help the ones marginalized, unwilling to see empathy and solidarity. You know? There was no further agenda in the past. The FSF made it to this point and now it is used as political point weakening free, libre ideals. Not as big plan, just as it is against often used pragmatism.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!

180 (edited by throgh 2021-04-04 23:38:58)

Re: Sharing information: About being believable!

To be honest: Freedom of speech is a high value, of course. There is a limitation of that, also: This is not a freedom from responsibility!
If there should be no limit of usage - which is a good one - there must be other possibilities. For now it seems more, that many people only use this high value to let others do the work. What about literally fascists building a platform with free, libre software and spreading false information, propaganda and lies throughout this way? It seems many so-called "activists" within free, libre soft- and hardware don't even care about that. You think further? Being believable means everybody has the same freedom, the same rights. And not only some have the rights to spread hate and harassment throughout the global network-. Think about as certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. And that's a dangerous, dark path. So if we talk about "freedom of speech" we also have to talk about the responsibility incoming with this freedom. Don't just harm others again, read through your own words, use your freedom to fight for the freedom of other beings and inhabitants of planet earth. That's another central point of being believable. The opposite is just to talk about your own freedom as you have the possibility to do so and let others suffer more as they are harassed and harmed even now as I'm writing these lines here. And stop believing those absurdities, which are perhaps not inherently evil but a pragmatic and simplified imagination. A presumption you want to believe in because otherwise there has to be a reflection of your own at some point.

How long do you want to run after some names? Better to start with reflection about that and what can be changed so everybody have same rights and the same freedom.

Human being in favor with clear principles and so also for freedom in soft- and hardware!

Certainly anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices: For a life of every being full with peace and kindness, including diversity and freedom. Capitalism is destroying our minds, the planet itself and the universe in the end!