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Topic: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

Hi guys,

Since we are removing all GNU/Linux based desktop frameworks (ConsoleKit, PolicyKit, D-Bus, systemd, elogind, etc) and migrating to HyperbolaBSD, Milky Way v0.4 is being packaged as "house in the middle" for HyperbolaBSD. So our plan is make a BSD-like and lightweight environment for Milky Way v0.4 to ease the life of our community in the transition to HyperbolaBSD. So coadde sent me this proposal list of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD, What do you think?

i3              dynamic         ok      package:i3-wm
dwm             dynamic         ok      package:dwm
wmii            dynamic         ok      package:wmii
spectrwm        dynamic         ok      package:spectrwm
fvwm            dynamic         ok      package:fvwm
icewm           stacking        ok      package:icewm
jwm             stacking        ok      package:jwm
blackbox        stacking        ok      package:blackbox
fluxbox         stacking        ok      package:fluxbox
windowmaker     stacking        ok      package:windowmaker
cwm             stacking        ok      package:xenocara-cwm
twm             stacking        ok      package:xenocara-twm
notion          tiling          ok      not available in v0.3
bspwm           tiling          ok      package:bspwm
wmfs            tiling          ok      not available in v0.3
lumina          compositing     ok      not available in v0.3
xdm             displaymanager  ok      package:xorg-xdm
gtkgreet        displaymanager  ok      not available in v0.3
slim            displaymanager  aw      package:slim
wdm             displaymanager  aw      not available in v0.3
qingy           displaymanager  aw      not available in v0.3

Updated Note: There a spreadsheet with a list based on the applications suggested in this thread.

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These are good selections, however I think OpenBox + Tint2 would also be useful for us. It is a minimalist stacking window manager with right click menu customizable in XML. Tint2 is a small taskbar for use with OpenBox.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/openbox
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tint2

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

Nice selection: Thank you! I remember that zapper had a recommendation for Draco.
zapper, you have mentioned the needed dependency towards dbus: As it seems this was removed and Draco be built without it. As fork of Lumina: Would this be also another possibility?

https://github.com/rodlie/draco/issues/28

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

throgh wrote:

Nice selection: Thank you! I remember that zapper had a recommendation for Draco.
zapper, you have mentioned the needed dependency towards dbus: As it seems this was removed and Draco be built without it. As fork of Lumina: Would this be also another possibility?

https://github.com/rodlie/draco/issues/28

Draco won't work in Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD because it requires ConsoleKit/logind, at least if you request rodlie (Draco's dev) a feature to disable it. Also, the option to disable D-Bus stills in wip branch, not stable one. In short, that option is a beta feature and requires testing.

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g4jc wrote:

These are good selections, however I think OpenBox + Tint2 would also be useful for us. It is a minimalist stacking window manager with right click menu customizable in XML. Tint2 is a small taskbar for use with OpenBox.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/openbox
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tint2

Cool option for our official list, thank you!

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

Emulatorman wrote:

Draco won't work in Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD because it requires ConsoleKit/logind, at least if you request rodlie (Draco's dev) a feature to disable it. Also, the option to disable D-Bus stills in wip branch, not stable one. In short, that option is a beta feature and requires testing.

Damn, had this in mind. Okay, will create a request on that. At least a question is a good one if the development is planned.

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throgh wrote:
Emulatorman wrote:

Draco won't work in Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD because it requires ConsoleKit/logind, at least if you request rodlie (Draco's dev) a feature to disable it. Also, the option to disable D-Bus stills in wip branch, not stable one. In short, that option is a beta feature and requires testing.

Damn, had this in mind. Okay, will create a request on that. At least a question is a good one if the development is planned.

Cool, thank you so much for your contribution smile

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

i would recommend jwm for the main desktop because it had many documentation on internet and had many feature possibilities.
many common desktop frame supported: edge tiling, eyecandy, dynamic menu, taskbar app and notification, etc.
another fun fact its suprisingly dustweight:
pacman -Qi
Name               : jwm                Name               : openbox          Name               : icewm        etc
Installed Size  : 307.00 KiB   Installed Size  : 1216.00 KiB   Installed Size  : 2.62 MiB    etc

for expert user alternative i think i3 alone is enough because the same reason as jwm: great documentation and feature possibilities.

as for displaymanager i would recommend slim for its ability to choose desktop session  and configurable ui.

im also curious about the future of these software:
1.pcmanfm ? most lightweight featurefull fm with good searching and displaying capabilities
2.iceweasel ? probably the only browser that can render and catch up with modern web technologies
3.libreoffice ? most document format support

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

Regarding pcmanfm: Is spacefm an alternative? dbus would therefore be just an option. The problem I see are plugins for proprietary services but perhaps those can be deactivated, especially the interface for those plugins.

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dikasp2 wrote:

1.pcmanfm ? most lightweight featurefull fm with good searching and displaying capabilities

I'm not sure about it. If it has options to disable GNU/Linux based desktop frameworks, then it's ok.

dikasp2 wrote:

2.iceweasel ? probably the only browser that can render and catch up with modern web technologies

Iceweasel-UXP will be included, also Midori as alternative option.

dikasp2 wrote:

3.libreoffice ? most document format support

There are options to disable avahi, D-Bus and Java in LibreOffice, so it's possible to include.

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

im compiling a lightweight desktop software recomendation for upcoming hyperbolabsd prioritized in their capabilities and lightweightness, fell free to edit

main desktop
1.jwm,icewm
2.lumina
3.openbox+tint2
4.i3
5.fvwm,twm
6.slim+xscreensaver+nitrogen

file management
1.pcmanfm or thunar or spacefm
2.double commander, rox
3.ranger+other software for thumbnailing
4.*thumbnailers
5.*bulk rename tools
6.*file searching tools

accesories
1.leafpad or mousepad
2.xfburn
3.xcalc or gcalc
4.compton/picom
5.xarchiver+unar support
6.*vim's

multimedia (graphic, office, sound and video)
1.mpv
2.geeqie or ristretto
3.zathura+their extension
4.gimp+inkscape
5.libreoffice
6.*sound tools

internet
1.iceweasel
2.midori
3.ellinks,links,w3m
4.transmission or deluge or hefur
5.hexchat
6.*network management tools

other (system tools, preference)
1.lxterminal,xfceterminal,kitty,sakura
2.xterm,urxvt, terminator
3.grsync,meld
4.lxtask,xfcetaskmanager,htop
5.lxrandr+light
6.*power manager tools

games?
1.stone-soup
2.frozen-bubble
3.supertux
4.neverball
5.blobwars
6.armagetronad

programming?
not my field, pls edit

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

I'd like to add:

Multimedia
Shotcut or Openshot (Video editing)
Audacity

Internet and Network
Filezilla (would be nice)

Gaming
Minetest (Client and Server)
ScummVM
DOSBox
Mednafen / Mednaffe-GTK
Stella
Nestopia
Pingus
0 A.D.
SuperTuxKart

Programming
Codelite (perhaps?)

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Other than internet, I use my computer for playing music files, so I'm really hoping at least one exaile-style music player can make its way in.  Right now I'm using deadbeef, with a filebrowser plugin installed manually, but exaile and pragha are also good, as are clementine and strawberry (although those two are less lightweight).  A graphical mass tagger, like GNU easytag, is important to me as well.  I'll second the request for transmission.

Multimedia:
exaile, deadbeef, or strawberry
easytag

Internet:
transmission-gtk
claws-mail

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

christian wrote:

Other than internet, I use my computer for playing music files, so I'm really hoping at least one exaile-style music player can make it's way in.  Right now I'm using deadbeef, with a filebrowser plugin installed manually, but exaile and pragha are also good, as are clementine and strawberry (although those two are less lightweight).  A graphical mass tagger, like GNU easytag, is important to me as well.  I'll second the request for transmission.

Thanks, Easytag is also one good application.

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multimedia
krita and/or mypaint

internet
gajim
qtox
jami?
icedove-uxp?

accesories
keepasxc
recordmydesktop

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SimpleScreenRecorder would be interesting, but I don't know if it ever could get running on BSD.

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

Emulatorman wrote:

Cool, thank you so much for your contribution smile

Made an issue about that: https://github.com/rodlie/draco/issues/50

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throgh wrote:
Emulatorman wrote:

Cool, thank you so much for your contribution smile

Made an issue about that: https://github.com/rodlie/draco/issues/50

Thank you throgh again.

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

throgh wrote:

Nice selection: Thank you! I remember that zapper had a recommendation for Draco.
zapper, you have mentioned the needed dependency towards dbus: As it seems this was removed and Draco be built without it. As fork of Lumina: Would this be also another possibility?

https://github.com/rodlie/draco/issues/28

No Draco so far under HyperbolaBSD. But that's fine: https://github.com/rodlie/draco/issues/50
The recommendation stays therefore at Lumina from the author of Draco.

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

might be usefull info

https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/ … -desktops/

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dikasp2 wrote:

might be usefull info

https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/ … -desktops/

Thank you for your contribution, coadde is upgrading our spreadsheet with those references.

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cli:

xenocara-server                                                                                                                
xorg-video-intel                                                                                                               
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fbset
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atool     
wmctrl

gui

librecad
abiword
gnumeric
sxiv
mupdf
gimp
inkscape
iceweasel-uxp
epiphany or midori (I just need a WebKit browser)

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freecad
megaglest
gpa
obs studio
kicad
arduino
monero-gui
icestudio (fpga)
sqlite3browser
torbrowser

plasma (if possible)

Ready to sacrifice beauty(plasma) for other DE for security and freedom if that's the cost.

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well dont worry @sagaracharya, everything is possible in linux err.. i mean bsd world smile

plasma is just some DE which beautiful by default, literaly any DE can be as much beautifull as you want

here some example:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=openbox+trans … ;ia=images

also dont forget to check my friend's creation smile smile :
https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1393227/

although if you want lightweight DE that beautifull by default enlightenment already there for you

as for advanced user i think urxvt and compiz is very enough big_smile
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=i3+gaps+trans … ;ia=images

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Re: List of desktop software for Milky Way v0.4 and HyperbolaBSD

im also curious about the compabilty of next hyperpacman

can we grasp the old non dbus,consolekit,etc package from old hyperbola and install them in hyperbsd ?

and what about bsd port, can we use it in hyperbsd ?